Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
22. Except the witness account is utterly discredited by forensic physical evidence.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Dec 2016

Utterly = completely, entirely, absolutely. The witness account has no relation to the actual shooting. They cannot arrest or charge on the basis of that witness' statement.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/12/ronald_gasser_joe_mcknight_sho.html

"The wounds are not consistent with being shot from above while on the ground," Jefferson Parish Coroner Dr. Gerry Cvitanovich said, as he discussed McKnight's autopsy during a press conference Friday (Dec. 2).
...
Cvitanovich said one of the three bullets that struck McKnight, 28, entered his chest and traveled through his liver and kidney before exiting out his right lower back. Another bullet struck McKnight in his right shoulder and punctured his lung. The third bullet hit McKnight in his left hand, the coroner said.

Normand said three shell casings were found inside Gasser's vehicle. Gasser, 54, was sitting in the driver's seat of his blue Infiniti coupe when he fired three times at McKnight. The former NFL player was out of his Audi Q7 and "positioned at the passenger window of the Infiniti," authorities said.


Between the autopsy and the position of the shell casings (not to mention blood, etc), the witness is lying or more likely did not even see what occurred, or perhaps was intoxicated and confused that late at night.

They need probable cause to charge, and if you arrest when the evidence does not support it, the police can be charged with false arrest.

On the other hand, most people in a vehicle will drive off when threatened, so this is still a suspicious shooting. I would assume that the cops got the shooter to make definite statements that can be checked against physical evidence (and if contradicted, can help make the case against the shooter). The call they are putting out for witnesses is because the witness account you are referring to is worse than useless.

I posted the stuff about the wounds because they mean something rather definite. If the shooter was in his vehicle (shell casings), then in order for those trajectories to be possible, the deceased was leaning into the car window (upper body strongly inclined down to the window, and the left hand must have been either up or in the car, or perhaps was hit last if the deceased reeled back from the car.

And that changes the picture, because that seems more threatening. It might not be a threat if the deceased were just leaning into the window talking to the shooter, but whatever happened, this was not a friendly encounter.

The only other way to get wound trajectories like that would be an almost downward shot, as if the shooter were standing on top of the car and shot downward into the deceased's body, but that isn't possible because of the shell casings.

They can also get gunpowder residue from the body and from the car to confirm how the shooting occurred. They will be able to get fingerprints etc from the passenger side. So there should be rather a lot of physical evidence in this case that would show a lot about what happened.
The incident looks like a mob hit. rec, nt. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #1
Yes NobodyHere Dec 2016 #14
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #20
and hitmen always get caught........ Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2016 #24
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #32
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #41
Hey, I'm having a ball. Thanks for your super learned observation and rolly eye rofl. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #42
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #44
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #45
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #46
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #47
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #48
... Mc Mike Dec 2016 #49
Let's see, Joe McKnight unarmed, African American. Ronald Glasser armed caucasian still_one Dec 2016 #2
And Glasser, the shooter, has a history of road rage incidents zz-la Dec 2016 #29
this whole this is sick still_one Dec 2016 #31
Gasser stands over a wounded man and shots him again. Why shot again when the guy riversedge Dec 2016 #3
Agreed it doesnt seem to make much sense at all. nt cstanleytech Dec 2016 #5
FWIW, the cop giving the press conference Mr.Bill Dec 2016 #7
I wonder what the scene looked like JonLP24 Dec 2016 #10
According to police NobodyHere Dec 2016 #15
You seem to have information I do not have. No need to get snippy. riversedge Dec 2016 #16
Any snippiness is unintentional NobodyHere Dec 2016 #17
ok. I only have the OP info when I wrote my comment. riversedge Dec 2016 #18
Latest reports say the shooter never left his car hack89 Dec 2016 #19
Except the witness account is utterly discredited by forensic physical evidence. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #22
The Blue Infinity is parked when they were trying to revive him JonLP24 Dec 2016 #25
That late at night??? Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #26
Okay, thanks, I found the initial article that had it wrong. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #33
No stupidity... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #35
Huh, that's a funny name for a Syrian refugee. ck4829 Dec 2016 #4
No bail for murder? Rex Dec 2016 #6
He isn't charged with murder. Mr.Bill Dec 2016 #8
I wonder why they did not charge him or hold him? Rex Dec 2016 #9
Cops Unable to Explain Why Man Who Shot Joe McKnight Was Released JonLP24 Dec 2016 #11
Amazing. Rex Dec 2016 #21
White man shoots black man in New Orleans and isn't charged. That's America! George II Dec 2016 #12
well, I hope one day heaven05 Dec 2016 #13
I take it that the police Doreen Dec 2016 #23
Later story from your source, published this PM: Joe McKnight's shooter was cited in 2006 road rage Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #27
McKnight played football in Canada (CFL). His death is all over the news here applegrove Dec 2016 #28
Cops Unable to Explain Why Man Who Shot Joe McKnight Was Released Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #30
Another witness, along with a photo Bradical79 Dec 2016 #34
Thanks JonLP24 Dec 2016 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #39
The TV show CSI? JonLP24 Dec 2016 #40
It's good to see this photo after learning some people deny murderer Gasser was out of his car. Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #43
EXCLUSIVE: Lucky to be alive? Ex-cop tells how he was chased down and spat on in road rage confronta Judi Lynn Dec 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #38
And this one looks like a mob hit, too. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #50
Gasser now arrested. ManiacJoe Dec 2016 #51
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Joe McKnight's shooter, R...»Reply #22