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123. One would also think that it's highly unusual for small liberal arts
Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jun 2017

colleges to close, from some of the commentary here.

I work in higher ed, so I follow the the Chronicle and IHE closely, and a lot of colleges like Burlington are circling the drain now. They're too expensive to run, church schools now get less money from their denominations than before, students are now more concerned about cost and debt and want more "practical" degrees, etc.

Some of those troubled colleges look at the numbers, decide that the jig is up, and announce that they are closing and will help place their students in nearby colleges. Others roll the dice on things like new facilities. Burlington chose the latter and came up snake eyes. If the gamble had worked, they would be a success story and a model for other struggling colleges.

If there's wrongdoing it needs to be punished, but the glee here is unseemly, if totally unsurprising.

Altruism? OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author murielm99 Jun 2017 #7
Ah, incorrect BainsBane Jun 2017 #11
You might wish to familarize yourself with the facts. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #27
A GOP created incarnation of Benghazi azureblue Jun 2017 #45
Did the GoP force the bank to file an SAR? Persisted Jun 2017 #52
Welcome to DU, TomCADem! calimary Jun 2017 #2
Hey calimary.. Cha Jun 2017 #3
I think this has happened before, too. calimary Jun 2017 #61
10,000 + posts is considered to be a low post count? DonViejo Jun 2017 #81
It was lower by at least three digits when I first did that. calimary Jun 2017 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #70
It's been an interesting end of the week: C Moon Jun 2017 #4
Yep, more diversionary tactics. Trumpism at its best. GAH iluvtennis Jun 2017 #5
Me too. Pauldg47 Jun 2017 #14
For sure...how he has time to be prez w all the lies he spreads and golf is beyond me Alice11111 Jun 2017 #15
Maybe... MontanaMama Jun 2017 #55
can really tell early what Senators/ Congress seats Republicans want 2018 Sunlei Jun 2017 #19
This... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #26
This complaint was filed over a year ago why didn't Sanders address it then? nt Persisted Jun 2017 #30
You know when I first heard about this?? Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #34
Apparently you didn't read the complaint. Persisted Jun 2017 #36
And I would suggest you read my comment again... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #38
And I'm suggesting your timeline is off... Persisted Jun 2017 #40
and his allegation azureblue Jun 2017 #47
He alleges that the bank filed an SAR. Persisted Jun 2017 #49
The story is about the Sanders hiring lawyers, which they just did.... George II Jun 2017 #82
I would just suggest.. Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #95
+1000, and the story was started by a Vermont newspaper reporting, not R B Garr Jun 2017 #121
More GOPutin dirty work, and the media eats it up. C Moon Jun 2017 #149
Plenty of people here are eating it up, too, though QC Jun 2017 #150
Seriously? I was wondering about that. Good news!! Thanks! :) C Moon Jun 2017 #151
BS is always pointing his finger at the Democratic Cha Jun 2017 #153
Okay....you've listed 2 Democrats not under federal investigation for bank fraud. Persisted Jun 2017 #31
Did the FBI begin investigatind Sanders just this week? Goprox Jun 2017 #32
If Toensing is correct, and the bank filed an SAR, the investigation Persisted Jun 2017 #46
The Sanders hired their lawyers this week. That is why this is LBN. George II Jun 2017 #127
This investigation started in January, 2016. former9thward Jun 2017 #142
Who the hell is Libby "Scooter" Robbins? jmowreader Jun 2017 #6
I think it's a transcription typo. The attorney is Robbins. George II Jun 2017 #128
Jane's daughter profited. murielm99 Jun 2017 #8
Aloha Muriel.. Cha Jun 2017 #9
Thanks. murielm99 Jun 2017 #10
I was replying Cha Jun 2017 #12
There was also that resort in the Bahamas pandr32 Jun 2017 #112
Aloha, pandr! Cha Jun 2017 #129
So glad you had fun pandr32 Jun 2017 #156
Yes, I so miss my Mainland Family and Cha Jun 2017 #157
September for me! pandr32 Jun 2017 #161
in a small state wouldn't this not be too unusual . everyone would have more of a connection to each JI7 Jun 2017 #147
IOW azureblue Jun 2017 #50
We should discuss tax filings. murielm99 Jun 2017 #117
Skinner disagrees. QC Jun 2017 #138
Skinner never mentioned taxes. He indicated that BS should be treated as a Democrat. Persisted Jun 2017 #141
Exaggerating income levels on a loan application. Venial sin. /nt philly_bob Jun 2017 #13
I hope someday we can compare DTs loan applications to his taxes. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #16
"pledging" millions to a school/charity & then not donating-something Trump has done countless times Sunlei Jun 2017 #18
It's a federal crime to misrepresent what a 3rd party is giving you when Persisted Jun 2017 #28
Her mismanagement helped the college go under so yes it is a sin. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #48
10 million dollars for 33 acres. bank was willing to accept "pledged money" that is not the same as Sunlei Jun 2017 #17
Actually, no. TexasTowelie Jun 2017 #20
oh so the bank got buildings & sold- and the land was sold to "another developer" 33 acres for 10mil Sunlei Jun 2017 #21
The buildings were not foreclosed until May 2017 since BC still owed the bank $3.7 million. TexasTowelie Jun 2017 #25
what did the bank lose? They didn't own the property, they weren't the sellers. They made the loan p Sunlei Jun 2017 #158
Think again that land is very valuable karynnj Jun 2017 #22
The kind of land we all wish we could have bought for 100 an acre 100 years ago :P Sunlei Jun 2017 #23
Burlington college bought the land when the Catholic Church had to sell it karynnj Jun 2017 #24
Actually....several Bernie supporters posted an article last night that Persisted Jun 2017 #29
link please karynnj Jun 2017 #35
Apparently the Archdiocese is claiming they got 10 mil on a 6 mil property..... Persisted Jun 2017 #39
Is the market value of your house equal to the assessed value? karynnj Jun 2017 #53
Um....you've conflated assesed value and appraised value. She paid 10 mil on a 6 mil appraisal.... Persisted Jun 2017 #56
I did not say the church is making money - I said that the land was sold in 2 pieces for a total of karynnj Jun 2017 #78
Well...you seem to be using the 2009 appraisal to determine 2016/17 Persisted Jun 2017 #86
Your reading comprehension and logic needs a lot of work karynnj Jun 2017 #102
Isn't Tony P a very close friend of Sanders who did the bridge loan on the original deal? Persisted Jun 2017 #109
He is also a major philanthropist who has done many good things for Burlington and Vermont karynnj Jun 2017 #111
After People's Bank pulled out of the failed land deal, did he stay in? nt Persisted Jun 2017 #113
He brokered the original deal when the land was purchased karynnj Jun 2017 #120
Well, I think you highlight the essential problem here. It was a gamble. Persisted Jun 2017 #124
Thank you for your posts. mahina Jun 2017 #107
One would also think that it's highly unusual for small liberal arts QC Jun 2017 #123
It's also unsurprising the continued unfounded accusations against others who are R B Garr Jun 2017 #125
The bank/agent probably sues because they want that 4 million "fee" they wrote into the contract. Sunlei Jun 2017 #159
Although not the same as donations received Sgent Jun 2017 #37
Indeed..... and worse, could have sued estates. Persisted Jun 2017 #41
Just being listed by someone else on a loan application does not bind them or their estate karynnj Jun 2017 #114
I'm not saying it would be a sucessful claim. But would you appreciate the possible Persisted Jun 2017 #118
The bank is responsible for due diligence TexasBushwhacker Jun 2017 #146
Bengazi only aimed at Bernie dembotoz Jun 2017 #33
Oh my! This looks bad. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #42
Like with Trump, going after the money, I would like to see both tax returns. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Red Knight Jun 2017 #43
How is what Jane Sanders did a Democratic problem? Persisted Jun 2017 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Red Knight Jun 2017 #54
+1,000 ciaobaby Jun 2017 #57
Well, you've sidestepped the question about the bank. And I get why. Persisted Jun 2017 #69
Strawman Red Knight Jun 2017 #83
Do you consider this thread divisive? nt Persisted Jun 2017 #92
Why the heck are you BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #85
Fair enough Red Knight Jun 2017 #88
Thanks! eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2017 #148
Sanders supporters did not cause clinton to lose the election... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #89
Oh, we're having civil discussions. Cha Jun 2017 #154
Thank you. David__77 Jun 2017 #63
Damn! This is the first I heard that the senator himself is being looked at. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #51
This is what indicates to me that an SAR was filed by the bank. Persisted Jun 2017 #74
The story about Jane Sanders is nothing new Bayard Jun 2017 #58
So being under investigation means someone did something wrong.... vi5 Jun 2017 #59
Would think the Trump Justice Dept would go easy on Jane Nader Kolesar Jun 2017 #60
Ruh-roh nycbos Jun 2017 #62
I don't care. David__77 Jun 2017 #64
This is how Trump supporters respond too. " I don't care." pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #67
It's not my real problem. David__77 Jun 2017 #104
If we base an argument on hypocrisy, then it is all of our problem. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #122
You cared so little Jamaal510 Jun 2017 #116
Who the hell is Libby "Scooter" Robbins?? judy Jun 2017 #66
"The loan was approved by the financial board at the college." Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #68
I suspect that that's who the FBI and the FDIC are talking to. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #71
Weaver seems to think that that means it was all good or their responsibility? Hmmmm Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #73
Well what the hell else is he going to say? Persisted Jun 2017 #76
I understand. Was just trying to see what Weaver was getting at. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #84
He's spreading responsibility. Which is what makes me think a SAR has been filed. nt. Persisted Jun 2017 #103
Aha Makes sense about responsibility What it SAR? I tried to google it. Is it related to this? Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #110
Yes. Toensing's complaint is full of shit, but he did drop Persisted Jun 2017 #115
The Daily Sanders Hate thread... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #72
It is news and belongs in this forum. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #75
Not the hate... and this been going on since 2016... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #79
This investigation exists because of the events that led up to the closing of Burlington College. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #90
If the bank filed an SAR, are they being manipulated by the Vermont Republican? nt Persisted Jun 2017 #94
The lawyers were just hired this week. George II Jun 2017 #130
I fail to see how this has anything to do with the Democratic Party. Persisted Jun 2017 #77
"What else should the Democratic party do at this point?" Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #80
Would you kindly quote "the hate?" nt Persisted Jun 2017 #97
Sanders is going around the country presumably speaking for the Democratic Party.... George II Jun 2017 #131
Certainly the Democratic party bears no responsibility for this particular turn of events. Persisted Jun 2017 #134
Explain that to all the republicans who will jump on this and use it for all they can get out of it. George II Jun 2017 #139
I've long given up explaining things to Republicans. Persisted Jun 2017 #140
LOL! Really? How so? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #101
It's in the "news".. deal with it. Cha Jun 2017 #132
Funny; I don't recall a single Sanders supporting the baseless Benghazi nonesense Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #87
Because Jane Sanders actions are really not being contested. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #91
Has it been proven and how did the post leap to assuming Bernie was in on it? Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #93
Not in a court of law but loan documents pretty much show she lied about how much the hrmjustin Jun 2017 #96
Oohhh "a suggestion." Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #98
Well he is lawyering up. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #100
She did not lie. "Pledged" donations aren't the same as money in hand. Banks contract allowed for "p Sunlei Jun 2017 #160
There are some real misanthropes in the world. n/t QC Jun 2017 #106
From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2017 #105
I've decided not to touch this with a 10 foot pole Hekate Jun 2017 #108
Wow, some of those comments after the article are brutal, but R B Garr Jun 2017 #126
Twitter is infested with confirmed anti Semites. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #143
Oh, and racists full of fake news. nt R B Garr Jun 2017 #144
So now it is anti-semitism? murielm99 Jun 2017 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Jun 2017 #133
So is deflecting with hogwash. Cha Jun 2017 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Jun 2017 #136
You're deflecting again. Cha Jun 2017 #137
No, Nothing Fishy About This at ALL! Doug the Dem Jun 2017 #119
And if she did it?????????? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #152
Is this more 'Crooked Hillary! e-mails! e-mails!' - the Trumpsters trying to create scandals about LeftishBrit Jun 2017 #155
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