We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition (Reply #17)

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Mon Jan 7, 2019, 12:09 AM

17. We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition

While it's certainly true that prior to WWII, some countries banned such practices because of intolerance, the reason it's done today is out of animal welfare concerns.

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113 replies	Author	Time	Post
Belgium bans kosher and halal animal slaughtering methods [View all]	left-of-center2012	Jan 2019	OP
When governments start meddling with religious customs, it seldom turns out well.	sandensea	Jan 2019	#1
It is when church starts meddling into government affairs that scares me.	spike jones	Jan 2019	#15
Well said.	sandensea	Jan 2019	#16
Hear here! nt	TwistOneUp	Jan 2019	#31
If the church reflects the will of a large segment of the population	Igel	Jan 2019	#33
What the majority wants isn't always good.	Oneironaut	Jan 2019	#60
During the Spanish Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church represented the majority of people...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#76
A Totally unnecessary law	bitterross	Jan 2019	#2
We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#17
Tperhaps not killing the animal would make	still_one	Jan 2019	#40
A false dilemma is a contradiction in logic by definition	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#44
I have no idea what PETA's logic is.	still_one	Jan 2019	#50
I just told you	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#53
That clarifies it. No, I don't buy that logic either. My point was not making a value	still_one	Jan 2019	#63
Several veterinary organizations disagree	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#84
Well, all animal products are a result of cruelty	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#65
...	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#88
Wikipedia lol	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#103
Welcome to DU	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#105
You have no argument	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#106
You stole my line!	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#107
Can you please give me some examples	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#108
LOL!	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#109
Aw cmon	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#110
Say please to someone else, please	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#111
Exploitation is cruelty	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#112
This is designed to tell the Jews and Muslims to go to hell.	Beakybird	Jan 2019	#3
Yes it is. It has nothing to do with "animal rights."	Hekate	Jan 2019	#80
decent treatment of animals is more important than old rituals	kiri	Jan 2019	#4
I have to agree.	Ligyron	Jan 2019	#5
So, are you a vegan?	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#6
You don't have to be vegan to be against needless suffering during slaughter	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#19
Why the last 2 words?	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#34
Relevance	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#37
Appears to be two wholly separate concepts, neither directly predicated upon the other.	LanternWaste	Jan 2019	#46
Nor do kosher methods necessarily require needless suffering.	moriah	Jan 2019	#49
So why are they opposing the law?	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#54
I highly doubt Grandin would support a law outright banning kosher/halal slaughter practices.	moriah	Jan 2019	#57
Nobody does except for the creme-de-la-dum Nazis	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#59
How about the other way around? In the US our average supermarket beef & chicken is so contaminated	Hekate	Jan 2019	#79
I don't know what you're talking about	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#82
Thank you. I respect Temple Grandin a great deal. nt	Hekate	Jan 2019	#78
This has nothing to do with animal rights/treatment. It's just bigotry.	NutmegYankee	Jan 2019	#9
The reverse is closer to being true	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#18
Halal slaughter allows some stunning methods	jmowreader	Jan 2019	#32
Not all of them believe that	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#38
Does this stunning invlove no pain?	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#47
Intolerance does not mean what you think it means	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#56
Yes, the "when it applies to everyone" argument.	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#72
If you are going to be that disingenuous, I have no interest in discussing this with you	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#81
The knife has to be so sharp that no blood gets on it?	progressoid	Jan 2019	#28
Have you ever seen it done?	Drahthaardogs	Jan 2019	#30
I have	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2019	#39
Electrocution, clubbing, and other methods are commonly used.	still_one	Jan 2019	#41
+1 n/t	Devil Child	Jan 2019	#29
Here is a more balanced discussion of the subject	still_one	Jan 2019	#43
Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#77
Now you can't say that anymore	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#92
"Promoted both by animal advocates and right-wing nationalists"	ProudLib72	Jan 2019	#7
Indeed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#51
Not surprising.	EllieBC	Jan 2019	#55
Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry? Why all of a sudden is this a problem?	YOHABLO	Jan 2019	#8
"Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry?"	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#22
I shop at a halal market.	rusty quoin	Jan 2019	#10
Thank you. I've been very unhappy with the	marybourg	Jan 2019	#11
How much does a halal chicken (3-1/2 lbs) cost? Poor folks don't have that luxury.	YOHABLO	Jan 2019	#12
I'm not Jewish or Muslim and have only ever bought twice (both times while in Europe)	rpannier	Jan 2019	#14
Good, such butchering is cruel. Invisible sky fairies shouldn't demand cruelty. n/t	Coventina	Jan 2019	#13
One can have an honest debate about what is or isn't appropriate treatment of animals, but	RockRaven	Jan 2019	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dopers_Greed	Jan 2019	#21
Do they want to start another war?	LittleGirl	Jan 2019	#23
What war did Belgium start? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#24
I mean that	LittleGirl	Jan 2019	#25
Animal right activists were behind the law, so I doubt they are pissed off. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#26
Belgium is on the leading edge of this, but I guarantee more of Europe will follow	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#58
It's already banned in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and parts of Switzerland	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2019	#64
Not passing a law against animal cruelty because it might "piss" someone off is silly.	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#67
I always order kosher when I fly	tirebiter	Jan 2019	#27
Me, too	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#52
This might sound strange	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#66
Well	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#68
You sound a bit silly but that's ok, we can work with that.	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#69
I can hear the brocolli screaming!	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#70
Another silly argument	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#71
Well, they'll only stop	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#73
Win!	Quackers	Jan 2019	#102
Oh you and your silliness	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#104
What is your opinion on Rubaskin	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#74
Mixed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#85
Ah! I have a few "lapsed" Lubavitcher friends.	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#89
Rebbe Zalman or Rebbe Aaron?	EllieBC	Jan 2019	#93
Well, I'm not lapsed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#94
I will have to take a look at the series. thank you!	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#96
Question	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#35
Depends really	angrychair	Jan 2019	#36
Thank you	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#45
Before switching majors I studied meat production.	GulfCoast66	Jan 2019	#62
Yes, I've seen video of pigs in the slaughterhouse and	LuvNewcastle	Jan 2019	#113
Caving to superstition never turns out well.n/t.	Scruffy1	Jan 2019	#42
Good riddance to every vestige of sky fairy rituals	The Mouth	Jan 2019	#48
"Right-wing politicians across Europe have been promoting bans on halal and kosher slaughtering	pampango	Jan 2019	#61
So right wing nationalists want to ban animal processing methods that are healthier for humans...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#75
Did you miss the part where it is supported by animal activist groups in Belgium also? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#83
Animal rights activists are apparently willing to ally with the Devil himself...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#86
If animal activists think it is wrong, they probably don't care who else does.	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#87
Right wing nationalists? That stink isn't going to wash off. If you can't smell it ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#90
So if RW Nationalists are anti-child abuse I should be for it? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#95
Nice deflection. If Nazis say they are against child abuse, I look elsewhere for my support...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#97
Kind of hard to limit support for a law to just people you agree with. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#98
Don't be disingenuous	Hekate	Jan 2019	#99
I am not. If a animal rights group supports a law they zero control over who else does. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#100
If I am working for the local Rape Crisis Center and the local branch of the KKK announces ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#101
Neither should anyone else	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#91

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