Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ... (Reply #77)

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Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:07 PM

Hekate (67,094 posts)

77. Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ...

...religiously-prescribed kosher/hallal slaughter?

Any idea at all?

First and foremost, under religious law the animal must be "clean," that is, show no signs of disease. I have not ever heard of a kosher beef or or chicken recall -- yet that is a recurring problem from our modern mechanized processing industries.

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113 replies	Author	Time	Post
Belgium bans kosher and halal animal slaughtering methods [View all]	left-of-center2012	Jan 2019	OP
When governments start meddling with religious customs, it seldom turns out well.	sandensea	Jan 2019	#1
It is when church starts meddling into government affairs that scares me.	spike jones	Jan 2019	#15
Well said.	sandensea	Jan 2019	#16
Hear here! nt	TwistOneUp	Jan 2019	#31
If the church reflects the will of a large segment of the population	Igel	Jan 2019	#33
What the majority wants isn't always good.	Oneironaut	Jan 2019	#60
During the Spanish Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church represented the majority of people...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#76
A Totally unnecessary law	bitterross	Jan 2019	#2
We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#17
Tperhaps not killing the animal would make	still_one	Jan 2019	#40
A false dilemma is a contradiction in logic by definition	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#44
I have no idea what PETA's logic is.	still_one	Jan 2019	#50
I just told you	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#53
That clarifies it. No, I don't buy that logic either. My point was not making a value	still_one	Jan 2019	#63
Several veterinary organizations disagree	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#84
Well, all animal products are a result of cruelty	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#65
...	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#88
Wikipedia lol	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#103
Welcome to DU	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#105
You have no argument	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#106
You stole my line!	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#107
Can you please give me some examples	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#108
LOL!	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#109
Aw cmon	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#110
Say please to someone else, please	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#111
Exploitation is cruelty	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#112
This is designed to tell the Jews and Muslims to go to hell.	Beakybird	Jan 2019	#3
Yes it is. It has nothing to do with "animal rights."	Hekate	Jan 2019	#80
decent treatment of animals is more important than old rituals	kiri	Jan 2019	#4
I have to agree.	Ligyron	Jan 2019	#5
So, are you a vegan?	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#6
You don't have to be vegan to be against needless suffering during slaughter	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#19
Why the last 2 words?	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#34
Relevance	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#37
Appears to be two wholly separate concepts, neither directly predicated upon the other.	LanternWaste	Jan 2019	#46
Nor do kosher methods necessarily require needless suffering.	moriah	Jan 2019	#49
So why are they opposing the law?	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#54
I highly doubt Grandin would support a law outright banning kosher/halal slaughter practices.	moriah	Jan 2019	#57
Nobody does except for the creme-de-la-dum Nazis	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#59
How about the other way around? In the US our average supermarket beef & chicken is so contaminated	Hekate	Jan 2019	#79
I don't know what you're talking about	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#82
Thank you. I respect Temple Grandin a great deal. nt	Hekate	Jan 2019	#78
This has nothing to do with animal rights/treatment. It's just bigotry.	NutmegYankee	Jan 2019	#9
The reverse is closer to being true	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#18
Halal slaughter allows some stunning methods	jmowreader	Jan 2019	#32
Not all of them believe that	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#38
Does this stunning invlove no pain?	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#47
Intolerance does not mean what you think it means	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#56
Yes, the "when it applies to everyone" argument.	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#72
If you are going to be that disingenuous, I have no interest in discussing this with you	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#81
The knife has to be so sharp that no blood gets on it?	progressoid	Jan 2019	#28
Have you ever seen it done?	Drahthaardogs	Jan 2019	#30
I have	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2019	#39
Electrocution, clubbing, and other methods are commonly used.	still_one	Jan 2019	#41
+1 n/t	Devil Child	Jan 2019	#29
Here is a more balanced discussion of the subject	still_one	Jan 2019	#43
Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#77
Now you can't say that anymore	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#92
"Promoted both by animal advocates and right-wing nationalists"	ProudLib72	Jan 2019	#7
Indeed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#51
Not surprising.	EllieBC	Jan 2019	#55
Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry? Why all of a sudden is this a problem?	YOHABLO	Jan 2019	#8
"Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry?"	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#22
I shop at a halal market.	rusty quoin	Jan 2019	#10
Thank you. I've been very unhappy with the	marybourg	Jan 2019	#11
How much does a halal chicken (3-1/2 lbs) cost? Poor folks don't have that luxury.	YOHABLO	Jan 2019	#12
I'm not Jewish or Muslim and have only ever bought twice (both times while in Europe)	rpannier	Jan 2019	#14
Good, such butchering is cruel. Invisible sky fairies shouldn't demand cruelty. n/t	Coventina	Jan 2019	#13
One can have an honest debate about what is or isn't appropriate treatment of animals, but	RockRaven	Jan 2019	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dopers_Greed	Jan 2019	#21
Do they want to start another war?	LittleGirl	Jan 2019	#23
What war did Belgium start? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#24
I mean that	LittleGirl	Jan 2019	#25
Animal right activists were behind the law, so I doubt they are pissed off. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#26
Belgium is on the leading edge of this, but I guarantee more of Europe will follow	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#58
It's already banned in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and parts of Switzerland	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2019	#64
Not passing a law against animal cruelty because it might "piss" someone off is silly.	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#67
I always order kosher when I fly	tirebiter	Jan 2019	#27
Me, too	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#52
This might sound strange	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#66
Well	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#68
You sound a bit silly but that's ok, we can work with that.	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#69
I can hear the brocolli screaming!	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#70
Another silly argument	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#71
Well, they'll only stop	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#73
Win!	Quackers	Jan 2019	#102
Oh you and your silliness	BeneathTheMire	Jan 2019	#104
What is your opinion on Rubaskin	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#74
Mixed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#85
Ah! I have a few "lapsed" Lubavitcher friends.	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#89
Rebbe Zalman or Rebbe Aaron?	EllieBC	Jan 2019	#93
Well, I'm not lapsed	MosheFeingold	Jan 2019	#94
I will have to take a look at the series. thank you!	The Truth Is Here	Jan 2019	#96
Question	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#35
Depends really	angrychair	Jan 2019	#36
Thank you	Cold War Spook	Jan 2019	#45
Before switching majors I studied meat production.	GulfCoast66	Jan 2019	#62
Yes, I've seen video of pigs in the slaughterhouse and	LuvNewcastle	Jan 2019	#113
Caving to superstition never turns out well.n/t.	Scruffy1	Jan 2019	#42
Good riddance to every vestige of sky fairy rituals	The Mouth	Jan 2019	#48
"Right-wing politicians across Europe have been promoting bans on halal and kosher slaughtering	pampango	Jan 2019	#61
So right wing nationalists want to ban animal processing methods that are healthier for humans...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#75
Did you miss the part where it is supported by animal activist groups in Belgium also? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#83
Animal rights activists are apparently willing to ally with the Devil himself...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#86
If animal activists think it is wrong, they probably don't care who else does.	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#87
Right wing nationalists? That stink isn't going to wash off. If you can't smell it ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#90
So if RW Nationalists are anti-child abuse I should be for it? n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#95
Nice deflection. If Nazis say they are against child abuse, I look elsewhere for my support...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#97
Kind of hard to limit support for a law to just people you agree with. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#98
Don't be disingenuous	Hekate	Jan 2019	#99
I am not. If a animal rights group supports a law they zero control over who else does. n/t	EX500rider	Jan 2019	#100
If I am working for the local Rape Crisis Center and the local branch of the KKK announces ...	Hekate	Jan 2019	#101
Neither should anyone else	Major Nikon	Jan 2019	#91

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