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LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
50. Nobody's moved any goalposts
Wed Apr 22, 2020, 12:32 AM
Apr 2020

Imagine the goalposts on one side of the field was totally built by government taxes. The goalposts on the other side was built by a private company. But both goalposts logistics are under the authority of the government. They decide how tall it is, how thick it is. how well secured it is, how far apart it is. They get to decide, because for one, the players want some standards, and minimum basic quality, and for another, its the players that pay for them. They all must pay. One side still pays a bit more because they hire a private firm to constuct it, and they need to make a profit. But it takes all the players to contribute to construct the posts. One single mass of them. For this one thing, they are all on the same team. Some can afford to pay more, some less, but its the government that makes sure that everyone gets to play with the same standards of equipment no matter how much they can pay.

Sweden and Canada and England etc. have had basically the same systems that Sanders, and 85% of Democrats want. Basically. Of course there are variations. Whether those governments allow the private industry to operate under their strict guidelines for everybody or not. Its still EVERYBODY, a single payer if you will, IN THE POOL. What is so difficult to understand about that?

It amounts to the same thing. Whether it is Universal healthcare paid for by workers, by mandated taxes, or a combination of taxes and premiums through private insurers. And whomever can't afford it in the case of private premiums, those premiums being paid for by government.

Again. Its the federal law ensuring basic healthcare is a right for everyone and overseeing it is adhered to all across a country that is what separates the US. I don't know if you agree to that point or are you still stuck in semantics?

As usual ehrnst, we will agree to disagree. I don't get your analogies, and you obviously don't understand mine.

No, a German Shepard is not a toy poodle. But they are both DOGS. ie.. you can argue all you like that those two dogs and a Siamese cat are the same, because they are all animals. But those dogs have way more in common with each other than they do with the cat. Both can bark, learn tricks, growl, defend the owner. A cat can't. Just like a government run and operated through a mandated tax system, provides the same basic care of one where government is still required to regulate and set guidelines through a mandated premium system. Both still require all of that one single nation of payers to participate. In cat nation, with no medical standards requirements, and no requirement for all of that single unit of payers to participate, and there's a cat on every block, is NOT the same.
Call it what you like.
cheers.

Good god.. don't they know what's going on in the Cha Apr 2020 #1
Thanks for the link. Yes, it looks like we're repeating history. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #3
Those who fail to learn, DarthDem Apr 2020 #4
And, the 1918 one was personal for me.. Cha Apr 2020 #5
Oh wow. Yes, I heard the second wave in the winter of 1919 killed more. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #6
My grandmother was Cha Apr 2020 #9
Glad folks in Kapaa are taking it seriously. Good for that bus driver! SunSeeker Apr 2020 #28
I agree that people are not taking it serious enough ... aggiesal Apr 2020 #17
Parts of SD county are super conservative. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #29
Both El Cajon zip codes are ranked ... aggiesal Apr 2020 #30
That figures! nt SunSeeker Apr 2020 #31
My paternal Grandfather also died from the 1918 flu. He was about 33 my mother about 10. katmondoo Apr 2020 #10
Wow.. I'm so sorry, katmondoo. It's Cha Apr 2020 #11
Off topic, but I hadda do this Worried2020 Apr 2020 #15
Aloha, Worried2020.. Mahalo for Cha Apr 2020 #39
aha - "Kaua'i" - yeah - I peeked . . . . Worried2020 Apr 2020 #44
Peeking is allowed! Yes, we're out here in the middle Cha Apr 2020 #49
Sadly, the USA learns little, even from their own history Worried2020 Apr 2020 #55
lol.. your "brain cells" seem Cha Apr 2020 #57
The sinister thing is that they do know and are Politicub Apr 2020 #34
k & r n/t w0nderer Apr 2020 #2
having the elderly pay the ultimate price is a win-win from the point of view of many beachbumbob Apr 2020 #7
Sweden! Sir Normie Apr 2020 #8
Ice floes anyone? McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #12
Weren't these folks encouraging their young people to have more babies? IronLionZion Apr 2020 #13
I have been warning my Swedish friends about this. They respond with the false sense of superiority zonkers Apr 2020 #14
In This Case RobinA Apr 2020 #16
Boom. zonkers Apr 2020 #22
If any country was going to do this "experiment" Sweden was a good choice Steelrolled Apr 2020 #18
Its probably a good thing, looking at it purely objectively, to have this "experiment" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #19
The thing about Sweden is they are not doing this for the benefit of the planet Steelrolled Apr 2020 #20
Interesting that they are so short on beds. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #21
Yes, we have a candidate who works towards fixing and completing Universal Health Care, ehrnst Apr 2020 #26
Yup. Germany and Switzerland got great universal coverage through a hybrid ACA-like system. nt SunSeeker Apr 2020 #32
Switzerland's population voted against a change to single payer a few years ago. ehrnst Apr 2020 #33
You are misinforned. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #35
No, actually, you are incorrect in your use of that terminology. You seem to be confusing ehrnst Apr 2020 #36
The basic principle is the same. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #37
"Universal Health Care" is to "Single Payer" as "Canine" is to "Toy Poodle" ehrnst Apr 2020 #38
I can't get through simple logic. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #46
Continued attempts to avoid admitting that one is mistaken on the use of one's terminology ehrnst Apr 2020 #47
Nobody's moved any goalposts LiberalLovinLug Apr 2020 #50
Yes, you continue to move the goalposts, and you contintue to stonewall and attempt to derail ehrnst Apr 2020 #53
Actually, you continue to redefine the terminology and moving the goalposts. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #48
Indeed... ehrnst Apr 2020 #54
Reminds me of this from The Doors: George II Apr 2020 #40
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #43
I have no respect for Sweden...they allowed people to die without trying to save lives...I am Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #23
It ain't over yet. Steelrolled Apr 2020 #25
Per capita, they're doing even worse than the US NickB79 Apr 2020 #27
Sweden drank the Kool Aid. BlueIdaho Apr 2020 #24
I agree rockfordfile Apr 2020 #51
Sweden has a history of eugenics practices 1936-1975 as appalachiablue Apr 2020 #41
And like here, immigrants, people of color are more affected since they live in dense housing. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #42
Yes, people of color are so heavily impacted; I'd forgot that appalachiablue Apr 2020 #45
Elderly pay price in Sweden. Here, it's the young, and the generation to come. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #52
Here, everyone is paying the price. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #56
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