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75. Does what's morally and legally defensible change when you cross over the border into Oklahoma?

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Oklahoma woman shot while trying to remove Nazi flag [View all] muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 OP

Only in Amerikka. Freedomofspeech Jul 2020 #1

You left out a k. not_the_one Jul 2020 #33

The United States media did not cover this story? UCmeNdc Jul 2020 #2

FYI, NBC did... MuchBetterThanThis Jul 2020 #5

Local paper has the story as well irisblue Jul 2020 #8

+1. He shot her in the back as she was running across the street dalton99a Jul 2020 #11

The BBC article is based in part on an NBC News interview. sl8 Jul 2020 #9

Feaster "would occasionally dress up in (a) black uniform with a red swastika armband - an outfit sop Jul 2020 #3

Probably dressed up when Trump was on TV at one of his NAZI rallies.......... Bengus81 Jul 2020 #17

probably not that big lapfog_1 Jul 2020 #29

It's their 'heritage' RandiFan1290 Jul 2020 #4

Shot her in the back. For taking a piece of cloth. truthisfreedom Jul 2020 #6

Many Trumpers who I know keep loaded guns in their houses. gab13by13 Jul 2020 #15

I believe it. I remember arguing once with a RW who thought it was all right to shoot someone for chia Jul 2020 #20

Isn't that just the perfect synopsis of where we are as a Country right now genxlib Jul 2020 #7

She is indeed lucky to be alive irisblue Jul 2020 #13

Some people, totally ignorant of the 3000' minimum between gun shops and liquor stores law. jaxexpat Jul 2020 #16

Perfect RobinA Jul 2020 #37

Obscenely illustrates what is wrong with some in this country. The positive is those who fought back hlthe2b Jul 2020 #10

This jerk.... louzke9 Jul 2020 #12

its oklahoma, and never a smart move to trespass beachbumbob Jul 2020 #14

Not a smart move to gun people down for what they consider "trespassing" Bengus81 Jul 2020 #18

Absolutely!! Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #28

It wasn't about being in danger. not_the_one Jul 2020 #35

Yes, that's exactly what it was. n/t Igel Jul 2020 #51

do you live in Oklahoma? beachbumbob Jul 2020 #45

Nope..up the road a piece in Kansas Bengus81 Jul 2020 #48

Does what's morally and legally defensible change when you cross over the border into Oklahoma? coti Jul 2020 #75

"shot her in the back" Trumpster Nazi on duty. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #19

She should not have been on his property and he should not have shot her. marie999 Jul 2020 #21

She was compelled to remove an abomination from public view. Many oasis Jul 2020 #31

Even a Nazi has freedom of speech in America. marie999 Jul 2020 #32

Nazi's best keep it amongst themselves or suffer the consequences. nt oasis Jul 2020 #34

I Disagree RobinA Jul 2020 #38

Nazi symbols are an abomination. Obscenity laws should apply. nt oasis Jul 2020 #39

You'd have to change the constitution for that Polybius Jul 2020 #40

That is the hard part. marie999 Jul 2020 #42

William Brennan was never Chief Justice, but point taken Polybius Jul 2020 #43

You are right. I have cognitive dissonance where when I read sometimes my brain will add a word marie999 Jul 2020 #44

Hate speech and immediate incitement to violence are illegal. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #99

You are incorrect. Flying a Nazi flag is protected speech/expression in the US. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #100

Yes and burning the flag is protected symbolic speech. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #102

If it's YOUR Nazi flag, sure. If it's someone else's, not so much. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #104

I forgot to put the United States flag. There are cases on that one. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #105

Yes, it's well-established that burning the US flag is protected speech. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #107

The shoudln't TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #81

I'll put her on the list of those who almost won a Darwin Award. Kaleva Jul 2020 #111

"forgotten about soon"? It's 7/5 and this thread is still active. oasis Jul 2020 #113

Most here in this thread probably don't know her name. Kaleva Jul 2020 #114

"Kendal McVey" has a nice ring to it. Her act of bravery doesn't oasis Jul 2020 #115

I'll bookmark this thread and keep and eye out for other threads... Kaleva Jul 2020 #116

Who knows? "Kyndal McVey" may hitch a ride in your mind oasis Jul 2020 #118

The Atalanta jogger and Flint Mi. security guard have already been forgotten. Kaleva Jul 2020 #123

What was her ethnicity? raccoon Jul 2020 #22

Nazi flags are against the law in Germany world wide wally Jul 2020 #23

That's because in Germany, they put the smart people in charge. Aristus Jul 2020 #25

Shot in the back....Good bye gun rights AND enjoy prison Mr. Nazi!! aeromanKC Jul 2020 #24

Oklahoma, protecting the (free speech) Nazi flag. He will get a slap on his back. NCjack Jul 2020 #26

Wrong move, trying to remove a Nazi flag. eppur_se_muova Jul 2020 #27

Not worth risking your life Hip2bSquare Jul 2020 #30

I hope Mr. Feaster spends the rest of his miserable life in prison. SunSeeker Jul 2020 #36

Guess she shoulda just shot that flag instead donkeypoofed Jul 2020 #41

Both of them played stupid games and won stupid prizes. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #46

I used to pretend removing nazi paraphernalia was stupid too. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #54

When it's on someone else's property, yep, it's stupid. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #55

Nazis have no personal property rights. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #80

Sarcasm, I love it. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #82

No sarcasm, dead serious. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #83

Oh, okay. You're dead serious. You're also wrong. But whatevs, you do you. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #84

Which is not giving rights to fucking Nazis, you know those people who gassed six million Jews. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #86

They have the same rights that we do, as much as you might wish otherwise. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #87

Out of morbid curiosity, I have a question. I suspect I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #94

Yeah , follow the law. I would not sit on that Jury though TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #98

Gadzooks. DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #91

What a handsome looking orc Mr Feaster is! iscooterliberally Jul 2020 #47

Oh yeah, attempted murder is perfectly legal to justify petty larceny. sakabatou Jul 2020 #49

Feaster definitely trumped these two of a kind. Marcuse Jul 2020 #50

Found his ugly photo: Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #52

If only there were some way this could have been prevented. Say....... NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #53

Don't be ridiculous. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #56

It's depressing how common that view is on DU. DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #57

Isn't it though? Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #58

It's "depressing" to read about people getting shot in the back. I'd oasis Jul 2020 #59

It's not either/or DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #60

And yet the fact remains... Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #62

I wouldn't have risked life and limb doing what she did. oasis Jul 2020 #64

She stood up against freedom of expression, a founding principal of the Republic. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #65

"freedom of expression? Try yelling "fire" in a crowded auditorium oasis Jul 2020 #67

You do realize that the fire in a crowded theater thing is nonsense, right? Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #68

Prior to the 13th Amendment, abolitionists stole people's property. nt oasis Jul 2020 #69

That's nice. Unfortunately, it also has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #71

If standing up against nazism is "wrong" I don't want to be right. oasis Jul 2020 #72

I never said standing up against Nazi ideology was wrong, and you know it. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #73

Congrats to you. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #74

Yes, you and Jedi are right. This is the very foundation of the 1st Amendment. coti Jul 2020 #77

I can't speak for Jedi, but I never compared the two crimes. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #78

As I said upthread, he had no right to shoot her because she took his Nazi flag. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #85

Apologies for the belated response, I didn't get or didn't see the notification for your reply. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #89

You are often in this forum telling us we're wrong JonLP24 Jul 2020 #110

If you've got something you want to say, have the courage to come right out and say it. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #119

That's not at all the same thing and a dishonest argument. nt coti Jul 2020 #76

Inciting to riot is wrong. Promotion of hate is wrong. Period. oasis Jul 2020 #79

My Hillary sign was stolen in 2016 Polybius Jul 2020 #90

Was the nazi flying his flag to support a candidate for office? oasis Jul 2020 #92

And what if it was a sign for one of David Duke's run for office? Polybius Jul 2020 #93

Just mark me down as one who "won't tolerate intolerance" and oasis Jul 2020 #95

You too! Polybius Jul 2020 #96

Most campaign signs are displayed to garner votes oasis Jul 2020 #97

Good luck with doing away with the First Amendment. Shouldn't be hard at all. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #101

Those who would rid society of evil nazi trash will continue oasis Jul 2020 #103

What you're saying basically boils down to "They have no rights because I say so." Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #106

"no rights"? I don't recall stating that in any of my posts. oasis Jul 2020 #108

Apologies, I got you confused with TristanIsolde upthread. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #120

Supreme Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio made it legal Kaleva Jul 2020 #112

It's always been legal to yell "Fire!" on your own property even if there isn't a fire. Kaleva Jul 2020 #117

She broke the law by stealing something from some's property Polybius Jul 2020 #88

Some are opposed to removing statues Democratically JonLP24 Jul 2020 #109

I think anyone who attempts to forcefully take down a statue in the US belongs in prison Polybius Jul 2020 #121

lolz obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #122

How do you feel about the people who took down this one? Polybius Jul 2020 #124

My Antifa grandfathers bombed and shot people like him. nt BrightKnight Jul 2020 #61

So did one of mine. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #63

Why didn't he just record her and then report it to the police ? JI7 Jul 2020 #66

Because he's a Nazi. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #70