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Douglas Carpenter

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13. you know and I know that 85% of the native indigenous population were forced out of Palestine in
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:51 AM - Edit history (2)

1948 in a massive campaign of ethnic cleansing by the Zionist forces *- the remaining manufactured Arab minority remained under military occupation until 1966 and still to this day are far from treated as equals. This obviously contrast greatly with the Israeli Jewish settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem who live in absolute superiority over their Arab neighbors who are kept by force at a distance and with no rights whatsoever. It was and is a violation of International Law to resettle a civilian population inside territory occupied by force such as happened continuously and relentless - not even pretending to restrain for any peace process. Are those Israeli-Jewish citizens who want to remain inside a future Palestine state willing to live as equals inside a Palestinian state? Or will they continue to live as they are now with special roads. control over the water supply and energy supply and completely outside the jurisdiction of the Palestinians state while the Israel state continues total control over the road system, the electric grid. the water supply and in fact expo fact control over all departure and movement from any future Palestinian state - which is all that is being proposed to them. The network control over the territory of any future Palestinian state did not happen by accident. What we saw in the so-called peace process was the massive expansion of settlement activities and the infrastructure to support it which by itself negates any possibility of a viable independent state.

Imagine any state being supposedly granted independence but with a hostile foreign entity controlling entry and movement form that supposedly independent state along with that state diced up so that even internal movement is not possible without the approval of that hostile foreign entity. Imagine that supposedly independent state having its electric grid and water supply and even its airspace under the control of a hostile foreign entity.

From Scars of War Wounds of Peace: The Arab Israeli Tragedy by former Israeli Foreign Minister, Shlomo Ben-Ami


from page 42:

"The reality on the ground was at times far simpler and more cruel than what Ben-Gurion was ready to acknowledge. It was that of an Arab community in a state of terror facing a ruthless Israeli army whose path to victory was paved not only by its exploits against the regular Arab armies, but also by the intimidation, at at times atrocities and massacres it perpetrated against the civilian Arab community. A panic-stricken Arab community was uprooted under the impact of massacres that would be carved into the Arabs' monument of grief and hatred."



and from page 43:

" Benny Morris found no evidence to show 'that either the leaders of the Arab states or the Mufti ordered or directly encouraged the mass exodus'. Indeed Morris found evidence to the effect that the local Arab leadership and militia commanders discouraged flight, and the Arab radio stations issued calls to the Palestinians to stay put, and even to return to their homes if they had already left. True, there were more than a few cases where local Arab commanders ordered the evacuation of villages. But these seemed to gave been tactical decisions taken under very specific military conditions..."


From page 44:

"The first major wave of Arab exodus in April-May 1948, essentially in the wake of the Dir Yassin massacre that was perpetrated by Lehi and Irgun with the Haganah's connivance and the unfolding of Plan D, might perhaps have taken the leadership of the Yishuv by surprise. But they undoubtedly saw an opportunity to be exploited, a phenomenon to rejoice at -- Manachem Begin wrote in his memoirs, The Revolt, that 'out of evil, however, good came-and be encouraged. 'Doesn't he have anything more important to do?' was Ben-Gurion's reaction when told, during his visit to Haifa on 1 May 1948 that a local Jewish leader was trying to convince Arabs not to leave. 'Drive them out!' was Ben-Gurion's instruction to Yigal Allon, as recorded by Yitzak Rabin in a censored passage of his memoirs published in a censored passage of his memoirs published in 1979, with regard to the Arabs of Lydda after the city had been taken over on 11 July 1948....Plan D, however, was a major cause for the exodus, for it was strategically driven by the notion of creating Jewish contiguity even beyond the partition lines and, therefore by the desire to have a Jewish state with the smallest number of Arabs.

from page 44:

"The debate about whether or not the mass exodus of Palestinians was the result of a Zionist design or the inevitable concomitant of war could not ignore the ideological constructs that motivated the Zionist enterprise. The philosophy of transfer was not a marginal, esoteric article....These ideological constructs provided a legitimate environment for commanders in the field to encourage the eviction of the local population even when no precise order to that effect was issued by the political leaders. As early as February 1948, that is before the mass exodus had started but after he witnessed how Arabs had fled West Jerusalem, Ben-Gurion could not hide his excitement."

"Ben-Gurion's reaction when told, during his visit to Haifa on 1 May 1948 that a local Jewish leader was trying to convince Arabs not to leave. 'Drive them out!' was Ben-Gurion's instruction to Yigal Allon, as recorded by Yitzak Rabin in a censored passage of his memoirs published in a censored passage of his memoirs published in 1979, with regard to the Arabs of Lydda after the city had been taken over on 11 July 1948....Plan D, however, was a major cause for the exodus, for it was strategically driven by the notion of creating Jewish contiguity even beyond the partition lines and, therefore by the desire to have a Jewish state with the smallest number of Arabs.

Um... Ok... RiverNoord Jul 2013 #1
the new settlement issue is a red herring Mosby Jul 2013 #6
we all know that without the removal of the vast majority of settlements - a contiguous and viable Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #7
we all know that "Palestine" must be free of Jews. Mosby Jul 2013 #8
you know and I know that 85% of the native indigenous population were forced out of Palestine in Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #13
the Arabs rolled the dice and lost - big time Mosby Jul 2013 #15
to quote Ze'ev Jabotinsky, the philosophic father of the Israeli right, who way back 1923 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17
If I am not mistaken, Palestinians are not allowed on those settlements. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #16
Nice editorial comment. Maybe Israel should stop stealing Palestinian land. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #2
bloody well about time he put them on notice - long, long past due in fact Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #3
Typical Palestinian game-playing. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #4
The Palestinians aren't the ones playing games Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9
Funny seeing this here on DU -- constantly blaming the victim for being victimized. The Stranger Jul 2013 #10
Including a crushing military defeat? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #5
Ooooo...I like when Abbas threatens. jessie04 Jul 2013 #11
This is why the Palestinian's never gain anything Joey Liberal Jul 2013 #12
Always suspect there is a profit to be made by prolonging this conflict. I don't buy the excuse... freshwest Jul 2013 #14
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