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jberryhill

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96. They did, did they?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:48 PM
Aug 2014

You might need an operative definition of "they":

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605662
The Israel Defense Forces thwarted a mass infiltration attempt on Thursday, opening fire on 13 Palestinian militants who managed to enter Israel through a tunnel in the southern Gaza Strip early Thursday morning.

When the militants exited the tunnel onto Israeli territory, Israel Air Force crafts were clearly visible above them, and they rushed to turn back to Gaza. The IAF bombed the opening of the tunnel, on Israeli territory on the eastern side of the fence.


Mounting a significant invasion through a tunnel is an interesting proposition.

It would seem that once they come out of the tunnel, then the tunnel is fairly easy to locate and close.

You see, the business end of the tunnels are not in Gaza.

I am impressed with the logic of "it is necessary to destroy a power plant to close tunnels", but the operative principle seems to be "they have tunnels, therefore anything goes". Why not just use nuclear weapons on them?

In your mind, is there anything that would constitute "going too far" in response to these 13 Palestinian militants you are mourning?
Well good, at least they have a military objective now. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #1
Along with ann--- Jul 2014 #2
Is "Hamas tunnels" a code-word for "Palestinian children?" Orrex Jul 2014 #3
No, it means the multi-million dollar tunnels Hamas has built former9thward Jul 2014 #7
How many Israeli civilians have been killed via those tunnels? Orrex Jul 2014 #8
If Hamas had not fired rockets not one Palestinian in Gaza would have been killed. former9thward Jul 2014 #46
Even if that were true, how many Palestinian civilians does Israel get to murder? Orrex Jul 2014 #51
If you think war is "murder" there is no point in discussing things. former9thward Jul 2014 #53
Deaths six decades in the past do not justify current-day murder Orrex Jul 2014 #55
Good, we agree on something. former9thward Jul 2014 #59
... 840high Jul 2014 #77
Or chickens jberryhill Aug 2014 #80
I think the answer you're looking for is ZERO. stranger81 Aug 2014 #85
maybe there's something I don't get about tunnels, but jberryhill Aug 2014 #79
Well if you think that analogy is equivalent then there is nothing to discuss. former9thward Aug 2014 #81
Ha jberryhill Aug 2014 #82
Now DU is full of tunnel experts .... former9thward Aug 2014 #86
No, but South Korea and the US Border Patrol are jberryhill Aug 2014 #87
Fine, I'll wait until they post here. former9thward Aug 2014 #88
And you are an expert in what? jberryhill Aug 2014 #89
The last time I looked we are not at war with Mexico. former9thward Aug 2014 #91
This may come as a surprise to you jberryhill Aug 2014 #92
They killed 13 soldiers right at the beginning from a tunnel attack. former9thward Aug 2014 #95
They did, did they? jberryhill Aug 2014 #96
No, I don't mourn Hamas, tunnel demolition expert. former9thward Aug 2014 #97
"could have" jberryhill Aug 2014 #98
Right on schedule you marched in your strawmen. former9thward Aug 2014 #99
What strawman? jberryhill Aug 2014 #100
Interesting way of doing it... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #4
That's what I was thinking get the red out Jul 2014 #5
Only when the tunnel entrances are hidden in those places hack89 Jul 2014 #6
The exits are supposedly in Israel. They could handle it from that end with very little death toll. jwirr Jul 2014 #9
They are not built with exits in Israel hack89 Jul 2014 #13
how many times have they been used and what's the civilian death toll? frylock Jul 2014 #14
Funny how that question never gets answered Orrex Jul 2014 #16
i posted yesterday that "terror tunnels" are the new "rape rooms" frylock Jul 2014 #18
Five israeli sodiers, at least. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #52
A military invasion and assault sometimes results in deaths among the invaders Orrex Jul 2014 #57
I do not have access to Hamas war plans hack89 Jul 2014 #19
so the answer is ZERO.. frylock Jul 2014 #21
So you know Hamas' long range plans? hack89 Jul 2014 #23
i don't. do you? frylock Jul 2014 #34
Killing as many Israelis has always been their intention hack89 Jul 2014 #40
and we circle back to the civilian death toll.. frylock Jul 2014 #44
Hamas started a war. hack89 Jul 2014 #45
no, they didn't.. frylock Jul 2014 #47
ok nt hack89 Jul 2014 #48
ok.. frylock Jul 2014 #49
Cuts both ways Orrex Jul 2014 #35
Military assessments always start with capabilities, not intentions hack89 Jul 2014 #39
Have you seen pictures of the tunnels? Orrex Jul 2014 #41
A couple of hundred per tunnel times 30 hack89 Jul 2014 #43
Bullshit Orrex Jul 2014 #50
To what possible end did Hamas conduct a suicide bombing campaign? hack89 Jul 2014 #54
Why does my tone bother you more than Israel's deliberate murder of Palestinian civilians? Orrex Jul 2014 #56
ok nt hack89 Jul 2014 #58
If Israel can claim self defense against a population that it is brutalizing and severely oppressing cpwm17 Jul 2014 #10
The West Bank Palestinian people and their Gov. asked Hamas to accept ceasefire & were also refused. Sunlei Jul 2014 #12
Israel has refused cease-fire proposals from both Hamas and John Kerry cpwm17 Jul 2014 #15
Once ground troops went in the hamas"Gov" was toast. They had their chances to accept ceasefire. Sunlei Jul 2014 #17
It's obvious who the terrorists are in this conflict cpwm17 Jul 2014 #20
no other country supports hamas either. not even their neighbor egypt will allow woman/childen in. Sunlei Jul 2014 #22
Egypt has a brutal, secular dictatorship which is an enemy of the Palestinians cpwm17 Jul 2014 #24
So why doesn't Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Baharain, etc IronGate Jul 2014 #28
There are huge numbers of Palestinians outside of Palestine cpwm17 Jul 2014 #32
Then kick the terror org Hamas out of the govt IronGate Jul 2014 #33
Regardless of what the Palestinians do cpwm17 Jul 2014 #42
Well, you're right about that, it would be the terrorist org Hamas.` IronGate Jul 2014 #27
I know your view cpwm17 Jul 2014 #29
I'm just as rational as you are, you just don't like my stance on Israel. IronGate Jul 2014 #31
I think it is like religion cpwm17 Jul 2014 #36
It goes both ways. IronGate Jul 2014 #37
Hamas tunnels and Hamas 'gov'. Then the west bank Pal. gov can govern. the Gaza strip. Sunlei Jul 2014 #11
They sure made some cool tunnels. candelista Jul 2014 #25
Much better use than for something foolish like COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #26
Nice of Israel to bomb the shit out of all of those schools and houses then. Orrex Jul 2014 #38
You mean like all the "building supplies" that went COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #60
Maybe Israel should get out of Gaza and stop slaughtering Palestinian civilians Orrex Jul 2014 #63
Maybe the terror org Hamas should stop lobbing rockets into Israel? IronGate Jul 2014 #65
If they posed an equal threat of lethality, then that would make sense Orrex Jul 2014 #66
Maybe Hamas should stop attacking Israelis. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #69
You find a dozen dead Israelis unacceptable Orrex Jul 2014 #72
No the progressive mindset say that it's unacceptable COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #73
You forgive Israel everything. Why? Orrex Jul 2014 #74
A pox on both their houses. kwassa Jul 2014 #75
All else being equal, I'll let the numbers speak for themselves Orrex Jul 2014 #78
War is a very unpleasant business. It almost always, COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #76
... and the U.N. n/t JudyM Jul 2014 #70
Also n/t COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #71
Modeled after the North Korean tunnels found under the DMZ. IronGate Jul 2014 #30
Yeah, but the Hamas leadership has zero interest in the COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #61
I can't help but note the conspicuous LACK of such terror attacks Scootaloo Jul 2014 #62
You mean like this one that was stopped by the IDF IronGate Jul 2014 #64
I don't know, and neither do you Scootaloo Jul 2014 #67
Believe it or not, IronGate Jul 2014 #68
Yes, infrastructure that would simply be bombed to pieces stranger81 Aug 2014 #83
Yes, infrastructure that would be bombed to pieces stranger81 Aug 2014 #84
Wrong. IronGate Aug 2014 #90
Right, because Israel never bombed Gaza before these tunnels were built. stranger81 Aug 2014 #93
Those N. Korean tunnels are way cooler! candelista Aug 2014 #94
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