Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Pope says denying Israel’s right to exist is anti-Semitism [View all]FBaggins
(26,783 posts)The question is whether or not they have citizenship in the nation they're living in. (Though it's worth noting that many have PA passports - which puts their consent into your "not particularly germane" bucket.
As much as the intellectually lazy would like to draw parallels to South Africa - they really don't exist. This isn't the case of a colonizing European power supplanting existing states with people who have absolutely no historical ties to the land. The Israeli's have much tighter ties to the land.
Also - Being offered citizenship and rejecting it because you won't legitimize the nation offering it to you... is very different from being disenfranchised. Not that the second attempt to abscond with the terminology of more legitimately oppressed peoples is lost on me.
As for "occupied" - the fact that land is occupied does not mean that the inhabitants of that land now have "Consent of the governed" rights to control that government. The colonists claimed the right to divorce themselves from England... they didn't claim to have a right to abolish England.
There is legitimate political disagreement (as the Pope makes clear) over what the specific boundaries of the Israeli state should be, but whatever they are, the Israeli's would have a right to determine who would be a citizen within those boundaries. You can't simultaneously claim that large swaths of the land are not theirs, and that the population of that land nevertheless has a consent right over the government that you refuse to accept governs them.