Israel/Palestine

Little Tich

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21. Oh dear.

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:09 PM

Oct 2015

Countries are not people, and countries don't have rights like people. This means that countries don't have the right initself to exist, just like corporations and other immaterial associations. However, there are rules that define lawful behaviour for countries towards other countries. These are the rules that I invoke when I say that all countries have the right to exist in safety and prosperity.

It's a common logical error among pro-Israel people that Israel somehow has a right in itself to exist, and furthermore that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and racist state. There's no right - no country has such a right.

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Pope says denying Israel’s right to exist is anti-Semitism [View all] grossproffit Oct 2015 OP

Jews have a right to self-determination, just like everyone else does. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #1

That's not what anti-Zionists or BDS'ers argue. Glad to see you're a Zionist. shira Oct 2015 #14

Thst's not what gt wrote. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #24

Hard to believe that anyone could disagree with this FBaggins Oct 2015 #2

no state has a right to exist. the only right that exists is the right of people to choose their geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4

There's a difference between residency and citizenship n/t FBaggins Oct 2015 #6

yes and no. immigrants from other countries who have citizenship geek tragedy Oct 2015 #7

It doesn't matter whether or not they have citizenship elsewhere FBaggins Oct 2015 #9

You're claiming Jews have a right to create an apartheid state. They don't. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #10

When you can only debate a strawman... You implicitly admit the weakness of your position. FBaggins Oct 2015 #11

No, I unpacked the logical underpinning of your argument pretty well. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #12

Israel has already annexed territory & offered everyone there citizenship shira Oct 2015 #15

They will have to do the same in the West Bank nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #18

Israel offered all of the Palestinians residing in Jerusalem full Israeli citizenship? azurnoir Oct 2015 #19

"Offered citizenship" isn't exactly the term I would use... Little Tich Oct 2015 #22

What about acknowledging the state of Israel and criticizing its policies? DetlefK Oct 2015 #3

No. I'm an American and criticize some of our polices but I'm not anti-American. grossproffit Oct 2015 #5

When necessary, yes. Bok_Tukalo Oct 2015 #8

OBAMA: DENYING ISRAEL’S RIGHT TO EXIST AS A JEWISH HOMELAND IS ANTI-SEMITIC shira Oct 2015 #13

However, denying that the land controlled by Israel is the homeland of the Palestinians is also Little Tich Oct 2015 #17

No country has a right to exist. Little Tich Oct 2015 #16

Sorry... that's nonsensical FBaggins Oct 2015 #20

Oh dear. Little Tich Oct 2015 #21

No other nation on the planet has its very existence threatened like Israel.... shira Nov 2015 #23

"There are no other nations being asked to negotiate their sovereignty like Israel." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #25

Right - like one state, Jews as a minority. n/t shira Nov 2015 #27

Like one apartheid state: Israelis get to illegally spread out and rule over R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #28

So since you believe 2 states is dead, what then becomes of Israel? shira Nov 2015 #29

Israel may well be the author of its own demise. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #33

You didn't answer the question, which is not surprising.... shira Nov 2015 #34

Perhaps the scales will fall from your eyes one day, shira. I doubt it though. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #35

So where is Czechoslovakia these days? n/t Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #26

Israel is adamant that it won't become Czechoslovakia during WW2. n/t shira Nov 2015 #30

Yeah, but maybe Czechoslovakia in the 1990's. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #31

Israel's enemies (the unhinged critics) want Israel = Czech. from WW2. n/t shira Nov 2015 #32

You really should get in control of those phantoms shira. They oft so lead you astray. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #36