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In reply to the discussion: How Israel avoids school shootings [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)90. I find several things interesting about Israeli firearm law ...
One is:
Residents of Israeli settlements in the West Bank are issued assault rifles and ammunition by the army, and are given civil defense training. However, the rifles and munitions are property of the army, and may be confiscated at any time.
The most interesting fact is these citizens are issued actual military weapons which have the capacity of fully automatic or burst fire. Do not confuse such weapons with the evil looking black rifles we often argue about in our nation. While it is true that they resemble ture military weapons they are merely crippled clones as they only fire in the semi-automatic mode.
Self-defense firearms may be carried in public, concealed or openly. Israel is notable for being a country with few places where firearms are off limits to licensed individuals (private premises, some government offices and institutions, courts).
There doesn't appear to be a lot of gun free zones in Israel. Gun free zones attract people with severe mental issues like honey attracts a bear. Such individuals are looking to rack up a high score of kills and the best place to accomplish this is a shooting gallery where the targets can't shoot back.
Soldiers are allowed to carry their personal weapons and ammunition while on furlough during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.
If this were true in the United States there would be a movement to force soldiers to leave their weapons in the base armory while on furlough.
In many regards Israeli gun control is far stricter than ours but it is also obvious that there is no major movement in that nation to ban or confiscate all firearms.
(note: all above excerpts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Israel)
In the United States many are upset to see Tea Party gatherings where people are armed.
(source: http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/08/17/hundreds-bear-arms-for-2nd-amendment/)
However in Israel these are common scenes:
(source of above images http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2008/01/israeli-women-and-their-guns.html
Young israelis carrying M16 and Tavor assault rifles on Jaffa Street in the center of the city of Jerusalem. Photo by Serge Attal/Flash 90
http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/despite_militarized_society_israels_strict_gun_laws_keep_civilian_violence_/
(source: http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=25245)
Of course it is fair to argue that Israeli soldiers have far more reason to carry military weapons in public than members of the Tea Party at a gathering.
Israeli firearms law appears to me to be realistic for that nation at this time. Obviously they oppose civilians accumulating an arsenal of firearms or a stockpile of ammo. We might learn some valuable lessons from their experience but many of their laws are impossible to implement in our nation at this time. Currently we find compromise impossible on many important issues in our nation.
Even if times change I doubt that we can ever reach a point where a civilian is limited to just owning one rifle, shotgun and handgun unless he/she is a a member of a recognized shooting club.
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Assuming you carry a semiautomatic pistol, do you carry the magazine separate ?
Trunk Monkey
Aug 2012
#109
In all seriousness I was being a smart ass on the first post but also in all seriousness
Trunk Monkey
Aug 2012
#116
Israel's situation is a bit different from ours. Besides, you guys would freak if we had same laws.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#2
If you care to dispute what I said, please do. Those are example of restrictions in Israel.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#5
good lord. Hoyt. Post a link to the quote that you supposedly cited. how hard is that? --
Tuesday Afternoon
Aug 2012
#59
Good lord, Tuesday, post a link to a source that refutes what I said about Israel's gun laws.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#60
It is interesting. As is fact you are only one who has looked at this rather than trying to
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#69
Ahem: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source."
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#74
Another gun culture stalker. Israeli law is there for the looking. That is a citation to anyone
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#77
Such is the way of the anti-gun people. With the exception of one (That I can think of)
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#72
We are talking Israel here. Having been to Alabama a bunch, it is very different from Israel.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#122
No, I would not obey just any law unless it is best for society. And I wouldn't pop off sounding
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#134
GE, we are talking about guns and society, not Anne Frank. Why do you guys have to sound so dang
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#135
No, what we are talking about is limiting ammo purchases to shooting ranges.
Atypical Liberal
Aug 2012
#137
And that would be enough if people of goodwill comprised the entire population. n/t
TPaine7
Aug 2012
#8
Hate to say it cause I love you guys w/o your guns, but there are plenty of toters with dubious good
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#12
Once again, you need to compare permit holders to those who qualify for a permit but know guns
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#61
"When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source."
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#76
Yeah, that is likely to happen here. Keep a couple at home if you just can't overcome that fear.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#14
So Israel would have no objections to the Palestinians being equally armed? EOM
physioex
Aug 2012
#34
Carefull with that ammo! Most of the Korean stuff is corrosive, VERY corrosive.
oneshooter
Aug 2012
#83
I've never stopped kicking myself in the ass for not buying a bunch of them when they were cheap
slackmaster
Aug 2012
#56
Yup I remember making fun of them way back when I thought guns were only for hunting.
ileus
Aug 2012
#88
I think most of us know some gun nuts. Unfortunately, I've encountered far too many.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#30
I bet as many Arabs meet the requirements as blacks met Americas post Civil War gun law requirements
braddy
Aug 2012
#23
I think the commentary is more about how to stop shootings rather than about gun laws.
Atypical Liberal
Aug 2012
#48
Here we go again. Please elaborate on what you think "Reasonable, smart gun control laws"
shadowrider
Aug 2012
#68
Unfortunately for too many the definition always seems to be "just a little more".
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#73
Amazing how people show the sanitized version on one side and not the other...
physioex
Aug 2012
#40