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Rebkeh

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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:49 PM Oct 2015

New to DU and new here. Also a question about optics [View all]

First, about Bernie. Yes, I am black and a Bernie supporter - I don't know if that will get me into trouble here. Don't care either.

I am voting for him. I am, as they say, "feelin the bern" but not for the reasons most cited. I am less of an issues voter than I am a values voter. My eye is more on trends than anything - meaning the way progress develops for everyone. If it's bad for poc, it's definitely going to be bad for everyone else in the long run. Anyway... I digress.

My question about optics is this - would it be a bad idea for Bernie, or his supporters, to cite Dr. King when speaking about socialism and socialistic positions?

Here's how it went - I made a suggestion to Bernie supporters in another, mostly white, forum about framing socialism. The main discussion had been about how Bernie messed up by bringing up European examples of why socialism is not a scary thing. Many suggested using FDR's policies, and even a quote by Lincoln, as examples instead. I suggested that if they were going to go down that road, to be very clear about inclusion regarding black people. 'Back in the day' nostalgia is unlikely to resonate. I know if it were me, I'd probably shut down and stop listening. That and I have no desire to get into yet another argument about why it's about so much more than class/poverty.

I then realized that Dr. King probably may be a good person to cite, but that is a fine line to walk. I myself hesitate to walk it because his legacy is still being co-opted. That and because I don't feel qualified to say as much because I have not personally studied his work. I did suggest it as an option to look into though. I got several responses from my post. One was that FDR's Four Freedoms are very much aligned with Dr. King's work. Also, a couple of links.

http://borgenproject.org/martin-luther-king-quotes-poverty/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/obery-m-hendricks-jr-phd/the-uncompromising-anti-capitalism-of-martin-luther-king-jr_b_4629609.html

So - bad optics or no? I am sure Symone Sanders has already thought of this, but I don't exactly have her on my contacts list. My take is that Bernie should leave it to black supporters to do it. He himself getting up there is a bad look, or am I over thinking it?

I hate that I even have to think about this at all.

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Citing him might be a problem JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #1
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #4
And was this private corporation 1Strong? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #5
You got it! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #7
"if that's the best you got when he's been dead for almost 50 years - you've got a problem." Number23 Oct 2015 #14
Weirdly combative? Rebkeh Oct 2015 #17
It was the "will this get me in trouble here and I don't care if it does" bit that was needlessly Number23 Oct 2015 #21
I'm still confused Rebkeh Oct 2015 #25
And it was explained to you. Over and over again Number23 Oct 2015 #26
I like O'Malley, Rebkeh Oct 2015 #16
The not comparing to other countries I agree with JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #32
Here's why I caution you about going down the socialism path JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #2
here is a good place to start re: philosophy tishaLA Oct 2015 #3
Great article Rebkeh Oct 2015 #18
So you ask the question... tishaLA Oct 2015 #28
Welcome to DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #6
The first link Rebkeh Oct 2015 #19
Something just struck me ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #8
Someone must have told her? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #10
For a couple of reasons Rebkeh Oct 2015 #20
I loved bernie when I posted berniesoblack! bravenak Oct 2015 #27
Giving this to you again - I see 1strong did first JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #9
I'm not sure of your age but Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #11
"So the immediate "so what" popped into my mind as well when BS proclaimed his march with Dr. King." Number23 Oct 2015 #15
Yeah, she's still officially with the campaign. Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #22
Thanks for the link Rebkeh Oct 2015 #23
I agree with you that progressivism is better Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #29
MLK is not a magic racial trump card. kwassa Oct 2015 #12
It would be a turn off to me... onpatrol98 Oct 2015 #13
You clearly are not mentally challenged... Rebkeh Oct 2015 #24
"I know Bernie believes in equal rights. Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #30
That's just it though Rebkeh Oct 2015 #31
"If that's a problem, it's not my problem." Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #33
?? I came here to ask Rebkeh Oct 2015 #34
What did you ask in 25 words or less, again? randys1 Oct 2015 #35
As far as I can tell, its this: tishaLA Oct 2015 #36
Yeah, OK. I dont know the answer anymore, I spend most of my time on here randys1 Oct 2015 #37
It is, but Rebkeh Oct 2015 #39
Sorry about that. I thought it was your agenda Kind of Blue Oct 2015 #38
I think I see the disconnect Rebkeh Oct 2015 #40
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