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beam me up scottie

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12. Not if they oppose abortion and want to restrict my rights.
Tue Apr 11, 2017, 02:17 PM
Apr 2017

If they oppose abortion rights they can be considered Democrats but not progressives.

Did you know DFL agrees with Trump and advocates defunding Planned Parenthood?

Yes, We Should Defund Planned Parenthood
STATEMENT OF KRISTEN DAY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEMOCRATS FOR LIFE OF AMERICA

For many years, many people have challenged the appropriateness of government funding of Planned Parenthood because the organization concurrently has received both funding to counsel pregnant women and to perform abortions. It is a basic principle of ethics that one cannot have any self-advantageous incentive, financial or otherwise, to counsel another person about a moral decision of such great magnitude.

Elected by voters set on eliminating taxpayer-funded abortions, President Donald Trump recently has called on Planned Parenthood to separate its abortion business from its other services in order to qualify for continued government subsidies.

Democrats For Life of America supports this compromise because:

This accommodation satisfies the longstanding and bipartisan federal policy that prohibits taxpayer funding of abortion – a policy that is supported by most Americans. Planned Parenthood’s current extensive provision of abortion procedures (they are the largest abortion provider in the S.) sets it outside the acceptable parameters for receipt of federal government monies.

At Planned Parenthood, tax dollars currently subsidize “pregnancy counseling” services. This “counseling” gets taxpayer-funded reimbursement despite the fact that the primary pregnancy “service” Planned Parenthood offers is abortion. This bias invalidates the “counseling” because the organization clearly has a material interest in encouraging every pregnant woman to schedule an abortion. According to Planned Parenthood’s 2014-2015 annual report, they served approximately 2.5 million people and performed 323,999 abortionsbut provided only 17,419 prenatal visits. And how many of those prenatal visits entailed “counseling” a mother to choose abortion rather than to choose birth?

If Planned Parenthood declines the compromise, the taxpayer funding should be allocated to the 9,800 Community Health Centers in rural and urban communities around the country that provide comprehensive medical care and other health care to more than 25 million people, far beyond the minimal reproductive services provided by Planned Parenthood to only one-tenth as many people.


http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php/articles-and-op-eds/press-releases/990-defund-planned-parenthood


Interesting indeed. What kind of person thinks right wing anti-abortion propaganda is progressive?

Why do you think supporting the right to choose is a 'purity' test?

What about racism? If someone thinks PoC are inferior are we allowed to say they're not progressive? Would that make us 'purists'?

And lgbt equality? If someone thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married or adopt children - are we allowed to point out that they're not progressive? Would that make us 'purists'?

Or is it just women's rights that can be sacrificed at the altar of progressive inclusiveness?

This may be a big tent and we may welcome anti-choice Democrats but we don't have to pretend that people who actively oppose my rights are progressive.
They can be as anti-choice for themselves as they want. But if they are anti-choice for other women, 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #1
An excellent response. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3
Thank you. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #5
John Kerry and Joe Biden are prefect examples of people who oppose abortion... nycbos Apr 2017 #7
And I, as pro-choice as it gets, voted for both of them. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #8
No doubt. nycbos Apr 2017 #9
The vast majority of progressive Democrats are religious. Lordquinton Apr 2017 #2
I would self-delete, but that would start another thread. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4
So what's your point? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #6
Simply asking a question. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #11
A leading question that you know the answer to Lordquinton Apr 2017 #18
There are religious people that are pro choice Buzz cook Apr 2017 #10
Not if they oppose abortion and want to restrict my rights. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #12
It all depends on who is defining progressive. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #13
Well then why don't you define it for everyone. trotsky Apr 2017 #14
I have never defined what an atheist must believe. That is for atheists. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #16
Defend your posts. trotsky Apr 2017 #19
Good of you to define the terms and decide the outcome in advance, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #20
So be it. trotsky Apr 2017 #21
Opposing reproductive rights is regressive, it is a conservative position. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #15
My point is that positions vary, even in the Democratic Party. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #17
It is not progressive to oppose women's rights. Period. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #22
I am personally pro-choice. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #23
So you agree it's not progressive to oppose women's reproductive rights. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #24
I am raising a question. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #25
I'm addressing the op: beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #26
They can be Dems (big tent party), but not progressives. ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #27
If "pro-life" means "legal protection of the unborn" Freddie Apr 2017 #28
I am a male. Abortion would never be a choice for me. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #30
While there are truly progressive WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #29
My view is if you are voting to or supporting people who are trying to end or limit reproductive... hrmjustin Apr 2017 #31
I also support them. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #32
Personally I identify as a liberal Democrat. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #33
My Representative is a member of this group. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #36
Of course they can. Who thinks all religious people are pro-life? LAS14 Apr 2017 #34
This guy: Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #35
And if the threads are checked, one might notice the considerable number guillaumeb Apr 2017 #37
One might notice that. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #38
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