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2016 Postmortem

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ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:59 PM Feb 2016

Video: Clinton Voter Fraud In Action? What a 'fuster cluck'! [View all]

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This is, apparently, what a caucus looks like in a Presidential race in America in 2016.
The footage is taken from precinct #43 in Des Moines, Iowa, where supporters of Clinton and Sanders gathered to determine the delegate count for the candidates.
The description of the video, posted on the C-SPAN website, claims “Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus”. Reports suggest that Sanders was winning during an initial vote, but when a recount was called, Clinton gained the lead.

One person who was at the event at Roosevelt High School took to Reddit to explain:
So basically in the caucus they have to hand count everyone depending on what side they’re sitting on. Well when it came time to do the second count the numbers were off. The first vote breakdown was like this:

FIRST VOTE: 215 Sanders 210 Clinton 26 O’Malley 8 Undecided 459 TOTAL
And this is the SECOND Vote: 232 Clinton 224 Sanders 456 Total
So somehow they lost 3 people but Clinton’s vote went up by 14.

So basically what had happened was Hillary’s team didn’t take the time to do a full recount instead she just added the new people who joined the second vote. Which clearly wasn’t an accurate count.

The footage appears to verify this with the Clinton camp admitting they did not do a second full count and that “they just added the (new) people”.

“Does that add up right?” one of the organizer is heard asking the caucus chair, who replies “I don’t think so.”
Nevertheless, a challenge by Sanders supporters for a third count was rejected and Clinton was handed a victory. This monumental cluster f*ck was just one 1,600 caucus sites around the state of Iowa. Who knows what went on elsewhere.

In another video, Clinton and Sanders supporters are seen remonstrating with caucus organizers in Ames who were attempting to move the caucus outside, refusing to start counting votes because their building was too full.

The incident led to much finger pointing and apparently many people abandoning the caucus and going home.
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This video has already been debunked. There was no fraud. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1
Well the count was still off, though not changing results. They did vote down a recount... ViseGrip Feb 2016 #4
Some sunlight can't hurt. CentralMass Feb 2016 #6
Link plez. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #7
Here: PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #11
The article didn't explain that when a second count was called for, the Sanders group actually rhett o rick Feb 2016 #15
would you mind supplying a link? Perogie Feb 2016 #19
The Iowa Circus. I mean Caucus. NowSam Feb 2016 #2
Indeed....a real tribute to Barnum & Bailey! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #3
Yep. Under the big tent, Ladies and Gents NowSam Feb 2016 #12
An obvious problem is that when the HRC side failed to recount they don't lose votes rhett o rick Feb 2016 #5
VIdeo aside - It's time to get rid of this insane Caucus crap and Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #8
In how many precincts did crap like this happen, you have to wonder. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #9
And the rest of the country pays attention to Iowa, Why? 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #10
Did you see that on FOX? It's been debunked. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #13
Media Matters = David Brock. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #14
lol PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #16
Lol. Do you have a more impartial source, though? TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #18
Another website Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #20
I'm alleging more of incompetence and confusion. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #21
LawNewz is a brand new website which is a spin off from Mediaite Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #23
Yeah, not all that enamored of that guy either. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #24
They said a lot of words but didnt debunk anything. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #17
It links to the full video available online, PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #22
The caucus chair rammed through that vote without letting anyone know what the issue was. eomer Feb 2016 #28
Hillary person said she did not do a count but just added in the new people. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #25
Hillary and Bernie tied, within the margin of error Dems to Win Feb 2016 #26
beating 'em by cheating 'em Faux pas Feb 2016 #27
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