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2016 Postmortem

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Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:24 AM Mar 2016

White Lives Electorally Matter!!! [View all]

I think people need to understand that, electorally, this is still a country that is dominated by White voters (much to my chagrin, because they tend to vote Republican). But with all the talk lately about the Black vote in South Carolina and elsewhere we have lost sight there is a bigger prize here and that is the White House and the path to it goes right through lily white picket fences, across farm fields, and down the street to suburban cul-de-sac(s).

Before you say "but the Democratic base is Black" please understand that even the Democratic Party was comprised of more white votes than any other single demographic in 2012 (this was Obama's re-election year, mind you). The good thing is, all those progressive White supremacist hippy dairy farmers from Vermont were able to pull off their white sheets and douse their burning crosses to vote for Obama just in the nick of time!!!

Look at 2012's electoral demographics at this link. Go ahead. I double dare you.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/26/demographics_and_the_2016_election_scenarios.html

What you will find is that in 2012 there were 79,000,000 white votes up for grabs. Aside that, there were 17,000,000 Black, 15,000,000 Hispanic, and 7,000,000 Asian votes. Altogether, the PoC vote did not equal the white vote and probably won't for a decade or two, maybe more (anyone have the projection on that?).

And what do we know about Clinton if we are honest with ourselves? Say it, class....she seems to have a White problem.

Nearly half of White Democratic voters in the Democratic Party don't really like her enough to vote for her (i.e. the folks that nominated Obama and the folks now supporting Sanders) and it seems most Independent Whites don't either. Then there's the Republican White vote...which I think is safe to say they really don't like her. In other words, "White voters just really aren't all that into you, Hillary".

The other thing is, a lot of White voters are pissed off these days. Call it White Privilege if you want but a lot of people have seen a decline or stagnation in their prosperity over the past few decades. Yes, it is mostly due to right wing policy (started by Reagan) but it has been aided and abetted by the Democratic Party as well (consider that we have had a Democratic President for 16 of the past 24 years as food for thought).

Outside of this stagnation, there is a real decline in life expectancy for Whites as of late. This is actually a shocking statistic. When you look at the reasons why, some of it can be linked back to declining prosperity and muted hope (alcoholism is part of that statistic). Some may say, "welcome to our neighborhood" which probably has some karmic poetry to it, but I don't think "a sinking tide lowering all boats" is a good political or societal goal.

The leaf has turned within the Republican Party and it is a seismic event that Trump is leading that race. We can sit back and laugh (or cry) but it is a symptom of something that is deep and cannot be laughed off. I seriously doubt we are 1930's Germany but it is scary when a guy rises to power using racial minorities as scapegoats and political punching bags.

The leaf is at least fluttering near sideways in the Democratic Party. The powers that be may vanquish the Sanders insurgency after all, but did anyone really predict "Mr. 3% Socialist Shouty Fringe Candidate" was going to give the Clintons a run for their money? If things get worse or at the very least fail to get better, continuing "Obama's Legacy" won't be good enough next time.

So, if what I say above has a grain of truth to it, be braced for a few things. Number one, believe it or not, Trump might win. Go to that website I linked and play with their electoral calculator. Adjust the numbers for the white vote a bit. It won't take much in terms of percentage change or turnout change to turn the electoral college Republican Red. The same cannot be said for the Black, Hispanic, or Asian subgroups. Number two, there is a very strong anti-establishment mood among working class / middle class whites. That latter point should go without saying but I literally had a Clinton supporter here say to me that she was not aware of this anti-Establishment vein. I was gobsmacked to say the least. Given that Clinton really is "the machine" and Trump is not, this is not a good thing for Democrats. The third thing is the Republicans are out of power, they are like Rocky after he gets beat in the first half of the movie: they are hungry, working out in the sweaty gym with bare walls, and chasing chickens to get back into power (just look at the last 2 midterms as an example of that). In other words, we may see a huge turnout of Republicans. If you think they are gonna sit on their hands because Trump is nasty, I seriously doubt it. Do you honestly believe they will fall on their sword for the good of the country when the Supreme Court is on the line?

But the above paragraph does not mean "pivot to the right" or "go to the center" or "act like Republicans to win"

Repeat....

The above paragraph does not mean "pivot to the right" or "go to the center" or "act like Republicans to win"

What it does mean though, is the value of understanding what the white electorate is so damn pissed off about. Many feel betrayed and abandoned by our institutions on the "Left" (I put that in quotes because our Democratic heads barely act "Left" when money, guns, and blood is on the line) and on the Right.

The reason they feel betrayed it is because they have been. Their prosperity was outsourced to the lowest bidder.

My older siblings can fondly remember when a high school education and blue collar job could get you a good lifestyle (i.e. before the Reagan Revolution). Now it is not uncommon to have college grads who can't afford to not go back and live with their parents. And those are the young adults that were lucky enough to be able to get a college education. The ones who couldn't are struggling going from one poor paying job to another.

My solution is to STOP BETRAYING THEM. Why this is so hard to do, I don't know, but I think campaign contributions have something to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if large sums of money exchanged for "giving speeches" may also have something to do with it as well. Just a hunch.

My point of this post is not to denigrate or diminish the electoral value of the African Americans, Latinos, Asians or anyone else. I congratulate Hillary Clinton on winning and keeping the affection of the majority of people of color and especially of blacks. I am sure in some ways she has earned it, despite her obvious periods of time when she chose political expediency over what was right at the time. I am also certain the the Democratic Party would not be what it is today without those votes and their interests.

However, I think in our hubris of dissecting the path to the nomination we have lost sight of some current electoral realities which can result in some pretty serious ill effects if we are not careful. If the triumphant tone of those who may likely be on the "winning side" of the nomination think they can thumb their noses at "white states that don't matter" and act as if the Black Vote + Latino Vote alone can carry this party to victory in November then they are sadly mistaken. Math matters.

On the other hand, I guess Hillary Clinton can be thankful for low gas prices right now or all hell might have broke out (even more than it has) on the Left as well.

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White Lives Electorally Matter!!! [View all] Bread and Circus Mar 2016 OP
... Agschmid Mar 2016 #1
I know, right!?! Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #3
That was something good RobertEarl Mar 2016 #10
+1 bravenak Mar 2016 #4
You did not read it. There is plenty of nostalgia for the old DU and some of it fantasy Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #14
I did read it, and I've been here for 8 years. Agschmid Mar 2016 #42
Perfect response. William769 Mar 2016 #15
Right? Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #25
lol bigtree Mar 2016 #41
Bernie won the Latino vote hugely in Colorado; he won 41% non-white vote in Mass amborin Mar 2016 #2
Caucuses arent broken down by race. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #20
Results of Jury TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #5
Uh oh. Somebody isn't going to be alerting for 24hrs. 0-7 vote... Purveyor Mar 2016 #7
Poor jurors had to read a rather lengthy post Dem2 Mar 2016 #8
The title certainly spells more trouible than the insightful argument. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #32
7-0 Leave it alone. I appreciate that. Thank you. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #54
I really wish we could avoid inflammatory titles Kittycat Mar 2016 #85
WTF? ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #6
I almost hid it for the title and then I read each and every word. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #12
Yeah what do you suppose was happening in AA communities ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #13
Scouring the OP for a "magical time" and not finding it. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #17
Ok ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #18
A lot of African Americans did very well with blue collar jobs. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #21
That's why huh. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #26
The Warmth Of Other Suns JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #40
I see you got the message. monicaangela Mar 2016 #56
I beg your pardon? JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #64
This post is fascinating. Thank.you. In some way it clears up the puzzle of why ALBliberal Mar 2016 #9
I have not studied what happened in Oklahoma but I think the sense of betrayal Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #53
OK many misread. OK is 75.1% White, the US 77.4% White... Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #103
I would guess Bernie won the Native American vote ALBliberal Mar 2016 #104
*sigh* JTFrog Mar 2016 #11
+1 YCHDT Mar 2016 #37
:facepalm: wildeyed Mar 2016 #59
That gif is very disturbing. PotatoChip Mar 2016 #80
So is the OP. wildeyed Mar 2016 #92
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
So let me guess: nominate Bernie to appeal more to white voters? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19
My point of making this post is mainly to remind people of stark reality. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #22
stark reality Dem2 Mar 2016 #24
You are right. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #23
But that's not really how it works, is it? davidn3600 Mar 2016 #27
Romney got the largest share of whites in modern history. joshcryer Mar 2016 #35
You didnt answer the question davidn3600 Mar 2016 #43
Billionaire openly using the system... joshcryer Mar 2016 #46
You are kind right Gwhittey Mar 2016 #70
It's not just about winning President. Perogie Mar 2016 #63
That is without question. joshcryer Mar 2016 #66
What proves your allegation about Romney? Herman4747 Mar 2016 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #39
OMG MaggieD Mar 2016 #28
Indeed! JTFrog Mar 2016 #29
This and your other gif in this thread are simply marvelous! betsuni Mar 2016 #36
The perfect gif for this OP! mcar Mar 2016 #71
The gif that keeps on giving. Nt. thucythucy Mar 2016 #102
Valid points Perogie Mar 2016 #30
White uneducated shift to Dems 3% every four years. joshcryer Mar 2016 #34
May I ask where you got those figures? Perogie Mar 2016 #60
Sure. joshcryer Mar 2016 #65
Thanks Perogie Mar 2016 #79
K&R Lots of facts that are being missed by many. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #31
So the core of the party cannot carry the party? joshcryer Mar 2016 #33
One of Sanders big tactical mistakes was to focus on issues of economic insecurity and expect YCHDT Mar 2016 #38
The problem is that Bernie comes off as... Adrahil Mar 2016 #45
Your point is important and has often been made here on DU as if late. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #52
It happens in almost every speech I hear. Adrahil Mar 2016 #55
I love your post. Well thought out. Insightful. Thanks. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #77
This too YCHDT Mar 2016 #109
Nobody says they don't. /nt yardwork Mar 2016 #44
This post does not represent all Bernie voters. noamnety Mar 2016 #47
I agree. It doesn't and shouldn't. It is just one opinion. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #50
What is more interesting to me noamnety Mar 2016 #51
They got theirs. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #72
Very astute point. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #84
I'm a white person nowhere close to retirement and I support Hillary. yardwork Mar 2016 #86
Yep - and I am nearing retirement and support Bernie. noamnety Mar 2016 #88
I've seen no evidence that I'm any kind of outlier. yardwork Mar 2016 #89
Me too! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #110
Me too. wildeyed Mar 2016 #94
+1 nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #62
White voters, as a percentage of the electorate, has declined, and will continue to decline. Adrahil Mar 2016 #48
I think your last sentence is missing a word. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #49
Tough subject, but needed to be said. Disagree that Trump is the nominee though. Here's why... EndElectoral Mar 2016 #69
I'm hoping you get a chance to read Adrahil's thread noamnety Mar 2016 #57
The problem I have with Adrahil's post is that he or she implies Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #76
Regardless of that noamnety Mar 2016 #81
No, that's not what I am doing. My title is to get attention of something we have been ignoring. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #82
Can't tell you how strongly I disagree. noamnety Mar 2016 #87
We will have to just disagree then and that is ok. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #90
It's dismissive JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #107
Intent vs perception for attention Kittycat Mar 2016 #91
I am sorry but this got alerted and was approved 7-0 Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #93
I know you did. Kittycat Mar 2016 #96
I am sorry but I err on the side of free speech over avoiding rankling feathers. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #98
So what was your challenge then, BLM or what was in the OP? Kittycat Mar 2016 #100
It seemed like you wanted me to change the title but I am telling you I disagree. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #101
A jury of possibly many right wing trolls does not mean that it's ok. JTFrog Mar 2016 #105
What are you blathering on about now? wildeyed Mar 2016 #58
You can b.s. all you want but you can't argue with 79,000,000 votes. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #74
You posted it. wildeyed Mar 2016 #95
I do not believe your misdirections and deceptions thus we cannot have a real conversation. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #99
I didn't know people were saying white votes don't matter. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #61
Whew, that's gonna piss some people off. n/t Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #67
How long do we have to suffer right wing dog whistles on this board???????? Pisces Mar 2016 #68
This isn't a dog whistle. I am directly saying white votes matter Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #73
It's not a dog whistle. wildeyed Mar 2016 #106
So, whites won't vote for Hillary, but POC will line up to vote for Bernie in the GE? grossproffit Mar 2016 #75
Reframing but mistating what I said may seem like effective argumentation but it isn't really.. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #83
Totally agree AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #78
It's crucial, when you have a point you care about, to articulate it in the most offensive Recursion Mar 2016 #108
Ummm......ok? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #111
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