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2016 Postmortem

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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:06 AM Mar 2016

Hillary has only regional appeal and her model is dependent on low turnout. She can't fix that. [View all]

Hillary is winning in the Dixiecrat states. These 13 states compose one of the most anti-Progressive regions in the United States (the Deep South is least supportive of reproductive health liberties, collective bargaining rights, GLBT equality, etc.). Hillary has so far put together a clean sweep of these states because the Clintons rose to power in the Deep South, which is ideologically inclined against the Progressive message of Sanders.

Assume Clinton is insurmountably preferred over Sanders in the 13 states of the Deep South.

Even if Hillary is liked in the Deep South, why is Clinton performing so poorly outside of the Deep South?

This is a problem we need to address before we choose a nominee.

Look at the data behind Sanders' 8 big wins versus Clinton's 3 narrow wins outside the Deep South:

Iowa - Clinton won by 0.3% in a dirty, close race (closest in Iowa's history)

New Hampshire - Sanders won by a wide 22.4% margin

Nevada - Clinton won by 5.3% in a narrower win than her win over Obama in 2008

Colorado - Sanders won by a wide 18.5% margin

Massachusetts - Clinton won dirty by a very narrow 1.4% margin

Minnesota - Sanders won by a wide 23.2% margin

Oklahoma - Sanders won by a wide 10.4% margin

Vermont - Sanders won by a wide 72.5% margin

Kansas - Sanders won by a wide 35.4% margin

Nebraska - Sanders won by a wide 14.2% margin

Maine - Sanders won by a wide 28.8% margin

In a year when the Republican race is setting turnout records, all of Hillary's wins have come in states where Democratic turnout is way down.

In contrast, Sanders has won setting turnout records in Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska (which had a huge turnout despite switching from a primary in 2008 to a caucus in 2016), and Maine.

How many states does Hillary have to lose outside of the Deep South and how many races she can win with anemic turnout before we can have an adult discussion about the implications of these results for her electability prospects?


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She is widely predicted to win MI on Tuesday by 10+ points. How does that impact your narrative? LonePirate Mar 2016 #1
We'll see how it turns out. She won Nevada and that's outside the Deep South. I don't expect Sanders Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #5
I predict Bernnie wil crush Hillary in Michigan on Tues. putitinD Mar 2016 #8
Should be close. Sanders is definitely treading. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #17
Since you can't even spell his name, what good is your prediction? jmowreader Mar 2016 #39
Bernie won Michigan, got 16.5% of Mississippi's very low turnout so you were wrong about all of it. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #59
Wrong! Bernie is ahead by at least 2 points in the last poll. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #43
Hogwash is right vdogg Mar 2016 #52
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. vdogg Mar 2016 #54
K&R! Down with 3rd Way, the Vichy Dems Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #2
And yet she's ahead in pledged delegates Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #3
Let's see how the delegates are allocated after the stretch from March 22 to April 9 Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #9
March 17th is the day that Bernie will become the frontrunner. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #44
Oh jeez metroins Mar 2016 #4
+1... SidDithers Mar 2016 #7
I almost said I don't blame them metroins Mar 2016 #10
becoming desperate? RobertEarl Mar 2016 #22
I'm not desperate at all metroins Mar 2016 #23
That's what I thought RobertEarl Mar 2016 #26
No biography here metroins Mar 2016 #27
I'm done with you RobertEarl Mar 2016 #28
That's ok metroins Mar 2016 #29
Well, March 8, 12 and 15 are rushing upon us. Hortensis Mar 2016 #50
Yeah Statistically we are headed for another crash and we Dems might get blamed for it ....... fourcents Mar 2016 #40
I'm not saying Hillary cannot beat Sanders - she's the favorite and he's the underdog. I'm saying Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #12
Swing states metroins Mar 2016 #14
Worse, that region is irrelevant to the general election. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #6
Karl Rove math? MFM008 Mar 2016 #11
She'll win Michigan, IL, FL, NY and probably California BainsBane Mar 2016 #13
I like her chances in FL. Much will transpire between now and NY so who knows how it will turn out Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #15
Florida has a closed primary... HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #16
The closed primary phenomenon is a huge boost to the candidate with ZERO appeal to independents Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #18
Yes exactly. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #56
Yes, it's still early BainsBane Mar 2016 #20
If you factor out the demographics (i.e., compare Deep South whites to Kansas whites or compare Deep Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #31
Definitely CA if its gets that far. Early June. ucrdem Mar 2016 #19
How many women will pull the lever for Donald "blood coming out of her wherever" Trump in the GE, Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #21
Probably just Republicans and independents; young Democrats will probably split between Stein and Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #25
What is it with this "Dixiecrat" crap tonight? Those by definition are white racists who .... Hekate Mar 2016 #24
SC had 13% turnout RobertEarl Mar 2016 #32
369,240 Democrats voted in South Carolina in 2016. In 2008 532,468 Democrats voted in South Carolina Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #34
We're talking about the Democratic electorate. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #30
You are wrong. Deep South Democrats are not as Progressive as Democrats elsewhere. They are more Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #33
Front loading the deep south helps conservatives RobertEarl Mar 2016 #35
The rigging of the calendar to promote a less liberal nominee is definitely a feature, not a bug Vote2016 Mar 2016 #49
You're conflating the Democratic electorate with the overall electorate in the Deep South. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #36
It's impossible for her to win a general election, period. Lorien Mar 2016 #37
I would call it the bible belt vs dixiecrat Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #38
How about the "bible belt buckle"? Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #45
The NASCAR belt? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #48
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #41
kicked and rec'd Vote2016 Mar 2016 #42
Many of these voters are first timers in a primary too. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #46
Those new voters aren't with us in November if we fumble this ball by picking Hillary Vote2016 Mar 2016 #47
Correct. The divide is age and income. Bernie needs young people's turnout and he is getting it. thereismore Mar 2016 #51
You will need to revise this after Tuesday.. then again after March 15th. DCBob Mar 2016 #53
I'm sure I will be revising all the way to the convention! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #55
Hillary wins a Deep South state and loses another state outside the Deep South. Not much to revise! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #57
You got it right this time. DCBob Mar 2016 #58
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