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2016 Postmortem

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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:29 PM Mar 2016

I have less concern about Bernie's use of the term "ghetto" than that his frame of reference for POC [View all]

seems to be limited to poverty, criminal justice and welfare.

For example, when he was asked last night what he would do to improve race relations in this country, he talked about crime, poverty and welfare.

And last night was not an aberration; that's a common refrain for him. For example, in a debate a few weeks ago, he was asked what he would do to improve race relations and he responded as follows:

"And the progress that we can build on is to understand that we should not have 35 percent of African-American kids in this country living in poverty ... we need real police reform. We need to make sure that when people are in jail, often, African-American and Latino, there is a path back -- back to civil society so that we don't have the rates of recidivism that we do right now.

"We have got to do away with mandatory minimum sentences. And I'll give you one example where we can make huge progress.

"Right now, it turns out that the African-American community and the white community smoke marijuana at about equal levels, OK? But it also turns out that blacks are four times more likely to be arrested than whites for possession of marijuana, OK? And that is why I believe that we should take marijuana out of The Federal Controlled Substance Act. Too many lives have been destroyed. Too many young people have been -- incurred police records for possession of marijuana."

This is why so many people think that Bernie is tone deaf. But his tone deafness comes from a cramped view of race, which is not surprising since race and race relations is just not something he has focused much attention on in the half century since he worked in the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

That doesn't mean that he is a bad person, that he is a racist or that he hates black people. But it does mean that he is not as racially sensitive as he and his supporters are trying to convince us that he is.

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Why do you keep acting like poor people don't matter? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #1
Who said that "poor people don't mater?" I certainly didn't EffieBlack Mar 2016 #6
yeah, you are saying poor people don't matter -- it's identity vs economics nashville_brook Mar 2016 #23
And Hillary said she is opposed to institutional racism yet supports the drug war and dogman Mar 2016 #2
Bulllshit! TM99 Mar 2016 #3
Cool...what specific actionable issues would you add? Emphasis on specific and actionable. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #4
There are many: For example, affirmative action, the wealth gap between blacks and whites EffieBlack Mar 2016 #11
So instead of economics, he needs to talk about economics Scootaloo Mar 2016 #18
Not sure you got that from my post, but . . . EffieBlack Mar 2016 #22
I did, in fact Scootaloo Mar 2016 #36
There is strange tendency among Sanders supporters to completely misread/distort EffieBlack Mar 2016 #44
"just like he does when talking about white people" Wilms Mar 2016 #47
I'm just trying to fix up all those split hairs you've got going. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #48
Well they aren't saying that Bernie needs to talk about the specific issues of urban areas.... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #52
Thank you, so here are my response and further questions to you point Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #19
Thanks for the questions. I will think them through and write a thoughtful response. EffieBlack Mar 2016 #45
I would have thought those were good answers. Wilms Mar 2016 #5
Alright, so question Scootaloo Mar 2016 #7
Bernie is just answering the questions with phrases from his stump speeches itsrobert Mar 2016 #8
It beats a weathervaner though. Wilms Mar 2016 #10
You're right he is no Hillary whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #9
Great picture and great for Bernie that he was arrested 50 years ago EffieBlack Mar 2016 #13
Obviously Hillary's frame (whatever the fuck it is) is vastly superior to that of whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #16
Nice attempt at deflection, but this has nothing to do with my post or my point EffieBlack Mar 2016 #25
I knew you'd skate away from my question whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #34
First he was quoting a member of Black Lives Matter nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #12
I don't care who he was quoting - my OP stands EffieBlack Mar 2016 #14
BLM under the buss nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #15
For fuck' sake, get a grip. This isn't about the Holocaust and NOBODY here denies it. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #24
you also throwing BLM under the bus? COOL nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #27
Nope. And if that's what you got out of my reply, go buy a clue. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #29
I don't have to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #30
No, I have not thrown BLM under the bus - but nice try. EffieBlack Mar 2016 #28
Sorry you did, after all I did post the transcript nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #56
Who from BLM was he quoting? tammywammy Mar 2016 #21
BUT HE DID DO This!!!!!!!!!! he introduced just such a bill: amborin Mar 2016 #17
Is introducing a bill an "accomplishment"? Recursion Mar 2016 #20
what would make you happy? Clinton championed Bill's draconian drug laws that led to massive incarce amborin Mar 2016 #26
And your answer helps to prove my very point EffieBlack Mar 2016 #35
I "No we can't" a winning slogan? dogman Mar 2016 #31
Why? Recursion Mar 2016 #40
What does this bill have to do with "race relations?" EffieBlack Mar 2016 #32
You heard "poverty, criminal justice and welfare" -- I heard 'discrimination in employment, GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #33
I heard what he actually said. You seem to have heard what you wanted to hear, not what he said EffieBlack Mar 2016 #38
What are HRC's positions in these regards? n/t Wilms Mar 2016 #41
he pissed off all kinds of folks with that nonsense about ghettos bigtree Mar 2016 #37
And his supporters' insistence on telling everyone that he didn't really say what he said EffieBlack Mar 2016 #39
Don't vote for him. whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #42
The cult thing... TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #55
I am glad he focuses on the most important issues in the few seconds he has to answer a question. Vattel Mar 2016 #43
Let me get this straight EffieBlack Mar 2016 #46
A smart consumer evaluates the meritS of the product or service. ZX86 Mar 2016 #49
Who knows what would "work"? I think he should say what he thinks, Vattel Mar 2016 #50
I think his answers effectively addresses issues that affect the African American community AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #51
I am more concerned with the fact that his heart is in the right place than, the fact Hiraeth Mar 2016 #53
Nonsense AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #54
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