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NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:00 AM Oct 2012

Clear evidence that, in a way, "the fix is in" - re how the debate aftermaths are formed.... [View all]

Many of us here watched the debate, and saw Romney get stomped far worse in the debate than how Obama was impacted in the first debate. In that one, it was more of a laid back, presidential style vs an alpha assault on both moderator and Obama by Romney, but there were no Obama misstatements or mistakes. Yet.....look at the following spin - and, yes, sadly the spin, much of it hand wringing from the media on so-called "our side", probably impacted the polls to a degree.

Last night Romney's "performance" was far worse than what happened to Obama in the first debate - misstatements, clear errors, lies, an utter knock out. Obama's performance was nearly perfect pitch. He destroyed Romney AND looked presidential - both in terms of intellect and leadership.

And what do we wake up to today? A very, very few "Obama slight winner", slew of "the debate was a draw, and both were unlikable", and yes, a few "Romney won on substance".

Yes, the media is part of the corporate bubble - they are in it, a part of it, and very well paid by it. There are many, many factors working against Obama's reelection for a myriad of reasons. He should be smoking Romney in the polls - but the gullibility and laziness and apathy of so many Americans brings us to this media-salivating moment of a "horserace".

Horse Shit, I say. Not sure what to do about it...but some sort of fix is definitely playing out before our eyes. And the reaction to last night's debate just cemented that fact.

edited- sample of titles of articles post-debate, from RCP.

REAL CLEAR POLITICS WEDNESDAY
Candidates Tangle in Fractious Debate - Hook & O'Connor, Wall St. Journal
President Obama Turns It Around - Greg Sargent, Washington Post
Obama's Record Wins It for Mitt - Again - David Harsanyi, Human Events
Obama Bares His Teeth - Frank Bruni, New York Times
Not the Game Changer Obama Needed - Fred Barnes, The Weekly Standard
Moderator Helps Obama Rebut Romney on Libya - Julian Pecquet, The Hill
Yes, Obama Played Politics With Libya - Jonathan Tobin, Commentary
Why Crowley Was Out of Line - Mickey Kaus, The Daily Caller
Obama's Best Debate - Ever - Steve Kornacki, Salon
Improved Obama Won't Halt Mitt's Momentum - Toby Harnden, Dly Mail

Second Debate a Split Decision - USA Today
Mr. Obama Comes Back - New York Times
Romney Wins on Points - New York Post

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Romney won on substance? GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #1
Look at just a sampling of article titles on this page - in the center NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #8
The usual suspects. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #20
Well, if the "substance" was bullshit, yeah, Romney won. n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #10
I am seeing this too. The media NEEDS a horserace. They keep propping Romney up... swayne Oct 2012 #2
The media is just being media C_U_L8R Oct 2012 #3
They can distort all they want, but people can see for themselves. Also, undecided are a myth. still_one Oct 2012 #4
That's not what I'm seeing lunamagica Oct 2012 #5
They decided on that outcome before the debate. wildeyed Oct 2012 #6
MSM is all about $$$$$! MSM wants edgy results to keep viewers watching their SH** while MSM RKP5637 Oct 2012 #7
On NPR this a.m., debate coverage included interviews with voters groovedaddy Oct 2012 #9
bbc worldwide had a shill from the wall street journal saying it was good night for romney madrchsod Oct 2012 #11
I think the tone this morning is very favorable to Obama Onlooker Oct 2012 #12
This is not unexpected jimlup Oct 2012 #13
I was going to say that blacks and minorities are accustom to paying the black tax, Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #14
The Today show on NBC just said NiteOwll Oct 2012 #15
He can't. good illustration of my point. the fix..... NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #16
"Obama wins the second debate. Too bad it’s not the one that mattered." NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #17
I agree with OP JiminyJominy Oct 2012 #18
They're also selling news to Republicans who cannot tolerate flamingdem Oct 2012 #19
The 'media' is a fact of life.. stillcool Oct 2012 #21
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