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baldguy

(36,649 posts)
32. You're right. There are no "movement progressives" to counter the RW.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:23 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders and his supporters keep proclaiming that his campaign is the result of a revolution. If so, then where are the candidates supporting him? The Presidency isn't the only office that matters, or has influence over the direction the country takes. There are 100 Senate seats, 435 House seats, 50 Governorships, and 7383 State legislative seats where the officeholders make decisions every day that greatly effect Americans lives. If this is a revolution, these nascent revolutionaries (I can't say they're really any part of "the left&quot should be able to list hundreds of candidates for office supporting it.

Another tell-tale is what these nascent revolutionaries will do when they lose. And they will lose. Will they regroup, buckle down, and work twice as hard for the next round of campaigning & elections? Or will they evaporate?

History shows that they'll evaporate. Either they "compromise their principles" and vote for the winning Democratic candidate - meaning that they grow up & realize those lofty principles they fought so hard for (not really) are shit & actually don't get anything progressive accomplished. Or just sit at home to pout & whine on Election Day. Or, they'll latch onto a third party Don Quixote, who may be superficially "liberal", but often has some very problematic, not-very-liberal views on important issues - which they will of course sweep aside & ignore. Some will even cast a supposed "protest vote" for the Republican ("that'll show those nasty, nasty Demon-crats!&quot - with varying levels of enthusiasm.

OTOH, it seems that whenever anyone actually works to create a base of support to vote for real progressive candidates, and get progressive legislation passed, these nascent revolutionaries dismiss them out-of-hand as party hacks, or Third Way, or corporatists, or just simply corrupt & cowardly - precisely reflecting what the RW propaganda machine has been saying for decades. And then they dream up conspiracies to excuse their losses & justify their lack of support for Democrats.

They can't seem to grasp the fact that democracy is hard. IT'S MEANT TO BE! Creating a real movement is what the leaders in the Democratic Party - that they're so happy to demonize - have been doing for decades. Sure, there are problems with the system that we have - but to even begin to fix those problems we need to have people in office to do it! When these nascent revolutionaries take their ball and go home they create the environment which they're so dissatisfied with. I guess that's why they're such a useful tool for the RW to use against the Democratic Party.

This. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #1
Good post. DanTex Mar 2016 #2
the left does not exist as a movement. there are issue movements like choice, GLBT rights, geek tragedy Mar 2016 #3
Oh, gee, yeah, let's let someone tell us to just give up. djean111 Mar 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #5
So - to be clear - you are calling us, Bernie's supporters, dog shit. djean111 Mar 2016 #6
Well, you're the one getting mad forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #7
I am not mad, my dear fellow/madam/whatever. I am bemused. djean111 Mar 2016 #28
That is exact what is going on here. Puglover Mar 2016 #8
How nice ... Trajan Mar 2016 #9
That would start with being willing to allow the Democratic Party to lose elections for a while. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #10
Depends on how you do it. forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #12
Go for it. Let me know how well it works out for you. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #24
Right, because it's always up to others to do the hard lifting that you're demanding. Never you, eh? CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #56
He was the demanding or suggesting action, not me. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #64
Oh, right, you're the one advocating for GOP control, because reasons. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #65
You are being stupid. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #66
You are being ignored. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #67
building the left should in no way help the Republicans win elections. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #13
Four legs good! Two legs bad. Always very bad. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #25
no one of good conscience ever wants the Republicans to win an election geek tragedy Mar 2016 #27
I am just saying you sound like a sheep from Animal Farm. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #36
no, this is what a rational liberal Democrat sounds like. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #37
Go read Animal Farm, you sound just like a sheep. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #40
I read Animal Farm, and I know exactly what you are geek tragedy Mar 2016 #41
Well, you sound just like a sheep from the book. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #44
no matter how many times you post that same tedious insult, it doesn't get geek tragedy Mar 2016 #45
You use almost the exact same words. It is true. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #47
You have admitted your only goal is to cause the Democrats to lose elections, that is your agenda. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #49
I think you have reading comprehension problems. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #52
I suggest you start by visiting with family members of those who got blown up in Iraq geek tragedy Mar 2016 #55
You mean the one Hillary Clinton voted for? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #60
I see you have nothing to say now that you reminded us all... Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #63
I would add this to your very well reasoned post Lucinda Mar 2016 #11
What's more "bottom up" than voting for a Leftist in the GE? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #14
Organizing, convincing people, and creating a self-sustaining movement forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #17
Why not vote for a Leftist that's is running in the GE? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #19
And that's why the leftist candidate in the primary forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #21
How the hell does voting for a moderate help the Left? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #23
your knowledge of 'the left' is remarkably shallow, especially considering what you claim to be... islandmkl Mar 2016 #15
So what did the left do in response to the rise of the Third Way? forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #20
I just don't think you understand how politics and political power works. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #26
The Dems have 2 big wave elections in a row. forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #29
I don't blame you though forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #31
a simple question, with no criticism built in, just a question: islandmkl Mar 2016 #42
I support Democratic Socialism forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #43
This is a part of the start. mmonk Mar 2016 #16
"The left shoulda..." Who are the left? What is their shared apparatus of organization? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #18
Very true. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #22
shoulda, woulda, coulda. welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #30
Yup. that is the way to go, methinks! djean111 Mar 2016 #33
You're right. There are no "movement progressives" to counter the RW. baldguy Mar 2016 #32
Why would the aristocracy join the revolution? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #46
What revolution? baldguy Mar 2016 #57
You seem to have a gripe with apathy. Avalux Mar 2016 #34
Maybe the left isn't as big as you think it is taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #35
The "left" is big enough to get a lot of Democrats "not elected" if it galavanized and chose to. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #38
you talk like someone who's here to help Republicans win elections, not contribute geek tragedy Mar 2016 #48
Just stating the truth, not encouraging it. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #50
yeah, that whole Nader thing worked out great for you people in 2000. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #54
When has a leftist party EVER moved leftward forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #59
That's literally what I'm talking about. forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #53
You don't seem to know what you are talking about so you and your buddy are making stuff up. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #61
People support progressive policy positions forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #39
We were. jeff47 Mar 2016 #51
I'm laughing at the 'superior' intellect. Maedhros Mar 2016 #58
Excellent post OP workinclasszero Mar 2016 #62
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