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2016 Postmortem

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VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:45 AM Mar 2016

If any of this counts as "progressive", I'll eat my hat. [View all]

The Third Way has proven to me that the mantra of "By the people, for the people" where democracy is considered is long dead. Oligarchy; corporate bribery and graft running rampant-- and you want us to support this. I present to you "the real progressive candidate"-- read as immense doubt placed on the entirety of that quote; considering I never knew warmongering and corporatist kowtowing counted for progressivism. The Third Way is not about "by the people, for the people", it's about "from the people, to the corporations". I didn't enlist to fight for a bunch of coprophilic plutocrats. And that is what you want to deliver us to.

Foreign Policy

Iraq

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/hillarys-pro-iraq-war-vot_b_9112232.html
"Hillary has now apologized for her Iraq War vote. But even her apology feels more like political calculation than genuine contrition. A meaningful apology would be directed to the Iraq war vets and Iraqi civilians who lost life or limb, to the American taxpayer for wasting over a trillion dollars, and to the rest of the world for making it less safe.

Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic nomination to Barack Obama in large part because of her Iraq vote so she must now try to immunize herself with her weak apology in the hopes that 8 years later, Democratic caucus and primary voters have short memories.

Moreover, none of her apologies give any indication of what she learned from her supposedly mistaken vote. Has she learned that using American military power to instigate regime change in the Middle East leads more often than not to chaos, anarchy, increased terrorist threats, refugee crises, and even the destabilization of Europe?"



Syria
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/hillary-clinton-isis-strategy-ground-troops-airstrikes-no-fly-zone-syria
"Hillary Clinton distanced herself from Barack Obama’s strategy for defeating Islamic State extremists on Thursday in a sweeping foreign policy speech that called for greater use of American ground troops and an intensified air campaign.

Though ruling out deploying the tens of thousands of US troops seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, the former of secretary of state made clear she would take a notably more hawkish approach than the current administration if she is elected president."


Libya
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&_r=0
"This is the story of how a woman whose Senate vote for the Iraq war may have doomed her first presidential campaign nonetheless doubled down and pushed for military action in another Muslim country. As she once again seeks the White House, campaigning in part on her experience as the nation's chief diplomat, an examination of the intervention she championed shows her at what was arguably her moment of greatest influence as secretary state."

"Libya's descent into chaos began with a rushed decision to go to war, made in what one top official called a "shadow of uncertainty" as to Colonel Qaddafi's intentions. The mission inexorably evolved even as Mrs. Clinton foresaw some of the hazards of toppling another Middle Eastern strongman. She pressed for a secret American program that supplied arms to rebel militias, an effort never before confirmed."


Saudi Arabia [y'know, the people who made ISIS's brand of Islam]
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/01/10/445291/US-Hillary-Clinton-Saudi-Arabia-/
“It’s tough to call her comments anything except ‘the pot calling the kettle black,’” John Miranda said in an interview with Press TV.

The Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign have enjoyed “numerous donations from Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia’s various corporations and princes that have dealings with the United States,” he noted.

“For her to say that we need to talk to them [Saudis] about this; she honestly could care less,” he added.

Miranda said that Saudi Arabia is committing the same crimes that the American people associate with the Daesh (ISIL) terrorist group rather than a long-time US ally in the Middle East.

“Everything that’s happening with the unrest in northern Iraq and Syria, they are doing the same exact things that happen in Saudi Arabia,” he said.

“Saudi Arabia is also one of the countries that is funding the terrorists in Syria and northern Iraq, so obviously they are practicing the same type of things,” the analyst added.

“Hillary Clinton is a complete hypocrite. That is the only way I can describe her,” Miranda stressed.


Honduras
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/
Though it’s less sexy than Benghazi, the crisis following a coup in Honduras in 2009 has Hillary Clinton’s fingerprints all over it, and her alleged cooperation with oligarchic elites during the affair does much to expose Clinton’s newfound, campaign-season progressive rhetoric as hollow. Moreover, the Honduran coup is something of a radioactive issue with fallout that touches many on Team Clinton, including husband Bill, once put into a full context.


Colombia
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068
"One of the 2011 emails from Clinton to U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman and Clinton aide Robert Hormats has a subject line “Sandy Levin” — a reference to the Democratic congressman who serves on the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees U.S. trade policy. In the email detailing her call with Levin, she said the Michigan lawmaker “appreciates the changes that have been made, the national security arguments and Santos's reforms” -- the latter presumably a reference to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos. She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, “I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian [sic] workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan.”

Froman — a former Citigroup executive who as trade representative was lobbying for passage of the deal — responded by thanking Clinton for her "help and support.” Hormats, a former vice chairman of Goldman Sachs who subsequently was hired by Clinton at the State Department, later chimed in, telling her “terrific job” and “GREAT line on Columbian [sic] workers!!!!!”


Offering federal contracts to Blackwater of all people (Y'know, those people that Chelsea Manning, God help her, leaked had been involved with child sex trafficking)

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/24/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-under-federal-investigation/
What began as an investigation into Prince’s attempts to sell defense services in Libya and other countries in Africa has widened to a probe of allegations that Prince received assistance from Chinese intelligence to set up an account for his Libya operations through the Bank of China.

. . .

“You push the buttons on the company, but the main bad guy gets away and does it again,” said an official who tried to prosecute Prince.

Prince has run up against ITAR in the past. In 2010, Prince sold most of his equity in the companies that fell under the Blackwater umbrella. Claiming that left-wing activists, Democratic politicians, and lawsuits had destroyed his companies, he left the United States and became a resident of Abu Dhabi. The remnant of his network was renamed Academi LLC. Federal prosecutors eventually attempted to prosecute Prince’s former companies, culminating in a 2012 deferred prosecution agreement to settle a lengthy list of U.S. legal and regulatory violations committed from 2005 through 2008 when Prince was in charge, including ITAR violations.

(NOTE: HRC’S STATE DEPT WAS THE FOLLOW-ON CONTRACTOR TO CIA CONTRACTS WITH BLACKWATER)

A senior official involved with the Blackwater-related litigation, who has since left the government, told The Intercept that the Obama administration’s continued willingness to award contracts to former Blackwater entities while the case was active was a fatal impediment to a successful prosecution. The official, comparing the former Blackwater empire to a drug syndicate, added that prosecutors could not get anyone under Prince to testify against him personally. “This is very much the concern,” the former official told The Intercept. “You push the buttons on the company, but the main bad guy gets away and does it again.”
No criminal charges were filed against Prince.

In federal court filings, Prince’s former companies admitted to providing — on numerous occasions during Prince’s tenure — defense goods and services to foreign governments without the required State Department licensing. In some cases, they admitted to providing services even after failing to obtain a license from the State Department.

As part of their settlement with the government, Prince’s companies ultimately agreed to pay nearly $50 million in fines and other penalties and to implement compliance procedures to ensure such illegal activities did not continue. In September 2015, the deferred charges were dismissed after the U.S. government certified that the companies had “fully complied” with all of its conditions.

At that point, Prince was already deep into creating new companies registered outside of the United States and appeared poised to return to the conduct that had marked his time at the helm of Blackwater.




Social Policy
TPP Support
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160129/23451533466/hillary-clinton-flip-flopped-tpp-before-so-big-business-lobbyists-are-confident-shell-really-flip-back-after-election.shtml
Isn't politics just great? Politicians aren't exactly known for their honesty on things, often saying things to voters just to get elected. But Hillary Clinton's views on the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement have received quite a lot of scrutiny. After all, while she was at the State Department, she was a strong supporter of the TPP, and so it was a bit of a surprise last October when she came out against it. Of course, the fact that the deal is fairly unpopular with the Democratic Party base probably contributed quite a lot to that decision -- and Clinton's weak attempt at revisionist history to pretend she never really supported it.

But, of course, when you do a pandering flip flop like that just to get votes, you have to remember that plenty of people will see right through it, and some of those people might reveal the strategy. Like, for instance, the head of the US Chamber of Commerce, the world's largest lobbying organization, who is leading the charge in support of the TPP. Its top lobbyist, Tom Donohue, flat out admitted recently that he knows that if she actually got elected, she'll revert back to supporting the TPP, because of course she will:
The Chamber president said he expected Hillary Clinton would ultimately support the TPP if she becomes the Democratic nominee for president and is elected. He argued that she has publicly opposed the deal chiefly because her main challenger, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), has also done so. "If she were to get nominated, if she were to be elected, I have a hunch that what runs in the family is you get a little practical if you ever get the job," he said.


Destruction of internet freedom
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/09/hillary_clinton_and_internet_freedom/
What Hillary Clinton is condemning here is exactly that which not only the administration in which she serves, but also she herself, has done in one of the most important Internet freedom cases of the last decade: WikiLeaks. And beyond that case, both Clinton specifically and the Obama administration generally have waged a multi-front war on Internet freedom.

First, let us recall that many of WikiLeaks’ disclosures over the last 18 months have directly involved improprieties, bad acts and even illegalities on the part of Clinton’s own State Department. As part of WikiLeaks’ disclosures, she was caught ordering her diplomats at the U.N. to engage in extensive espionage on other diplomats and U.N. officials; in a classified memo, she demanded “forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications” as well as “credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax and pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account numbers” for a whole slew of diplomats, actions previously condemned by the U.S. as illegal. WikiLeaks also revealed that the State Department — very early on in the Obama administration — oversaw a joint effort between its diplomats and GOP officials to pressure and coerce Spain to block independent judicial investigations into the torture policies of Bush officials: a direct violation of then-candidate Obama’s pledge to allow investigations to proceed as well being at odds with the White House’s dismissal of questions about the Spanish investigation as merely “hypothetical.” WikiLeaks disclosures also revealed that public denials from Clinton’s State Department about the U.S. role in Yemen were at best deeply misleading. And, of course, those disclosures revealed a litany of other truly bad acts by the U.S. Government generally.


Manhattan Project against encryption
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/hillary-clinton-wants-manhattan-like-project-to-break-encryption/
Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has called for a "Manhattan-like project" to help law enforcement break into encrypted communications. This is in reference to the Manhattan Project, the top-secret concentrated research effort which resulted in the US developing nuclear weapons during World War II.

At Saturday's Democratic debate (transcript here), moderator Martha Raddatz asked Clinton about Apple CEO Tim Cook's statements that any effort to break encryption would harm law-abiding citizens.


PATRIOT Act support
https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton
Clinton voted in support of HR 3162 - USA Patriot Act of 2001. The bill passed on October 25, 2001, by a vote of 98-1. The bill allowed law enforcement more authority in searching homes, tapping phone lines and tracking internet information while searching for suspected terrorists
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Secure Fence Act
https://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton
Clinton voted in support of HR 6061 - Secure Fence Act of 2006. The bill passed on September 29, 2006, by a vote of 80-19. The bill authorized the construction of 700 miles of additional fencing along the United States-Mexico border. The Democratic Party split on the vote.



H-1B Visa support


Corporatist Tax Loopholes

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827?page=2

The analysis reveals that the biggest names in corporate America are boycotting the U.S. tax system, en masse. Top offenders include giants from high-tech (Microsoft, $76 billion); Big Pharma (Pfizer, $69 billion); Big Oil (Exxon­Mobil, $47 billion); investment banks (Goldman Sachs, $22 billion); Big Tobacco (Philip Morris, $20 billion); discount retailers (Wal-Mart, $19 billion); fast-food chains (McDonald's, $16 billion) – even heavy machinery (Caterpillar, $17 billion). General Electric has $110 billion stashed offshore, and enjoys an effective tax rate of four percent – 31 points lower than its statutory obligation to the IRS.

The Kennedy-era reforms kept corporate tax avoidance substantially in check through both Democratic and Republican administrations. Even Reagan cracked down on multinational tax dodgers with the tax reform of 1986. But changes in recent years – including one in 1997 and another in 2006 – have, according to a recent Senate investigation, "nearly completely undercut" the ability of the Treasury to tax the paperwork profits of multinationals. The original sin was committed by the Clinton Treasury – then led by Robert Rubin, later a top executive at Citigroup and a major player in the subprime mortgage crisis. In 1997, Treasury changed regulations to permit corporations to decide for themselves which subsidiaries were relevant for tax purposes, simply by ticking off a box on a tax form. But these changes, intended to simplify the tax code, also opened a colossal loophole.


By telling the IRS to treat certain offshore subsidiaries as "disregarded entities" – a.k.a. "tax nothings" – corporate accountants could divert and mask passive income, making it untaxable abroad. "I don't think they realized how much check-the-box would lubricate international tax avoidance," says Kleinbard.

For a brief moment, Treasury sought to reverse course. But lobbyists from firms including Monsanto, Morgan Stanley, IBM and Philip Morris locked arms to defend their de facto tax cut. The Clinton Treasury backed down. Soon, some administration officials took a spin through the revolving door – raising troubling questions about the relationship between corporate America and its regulators. William Morris, who became the Clinton Treasury's associate international tax counsel around the time the regulations were enacted, jumped to GE, where today he orchestrates the firm's global tax policy.




This is the so called pre-ordained candidate for the Democratic Party. And when candidates like this are being fielded, and an Independent who is more democratic than the whole DNC put together has to come in and save the fuckin' party, the establishment has some serious soul searching to engage in, that is, if they still have souls to search.

If the Democratic party wants my vote, then they can nominate a candidate who deserves it.
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K&R vintx Mar 2016 #1
I thought y'all would have figured out by now... DanTex Mar 2016 #2
Truth hurts!!! Gotta derail, gotta make Clinton a victim, gotta ..... nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #3
It's not "truth" and it doesn't "hurt." Check the delegate totals if you want to see who's hurting. DanTex Mar 2016 #4
Sure it does. It burns. I don't give a * about delegates, polly7 Mar 2016 #5
Well, it doesn't burn me, since I care about delegates and not internet smears. YMMV. DanTex Mar 2016 #6
'Smear's, lol. 'Truth' for all those whose lives have been ended or ruined by it. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #7
Like I said, try a different tack. The internet smear approach has failed. DanTex Mar 2016 #8
It's telling that the ruin of lives equates to 'internet smears' for you. polly7 Mar 2016 #12
The smear is blaming Hillary for the ruining of those lives. DanTex Mar 2016 #15
And that is THE TRUTH. polly7 Mar 2016 #18
What's true is that Bernie or Busters are helping Trump get elected. Anyone who does that DanTex Mar 2016 #20
No, that she caused much of the horror - KNOWING how bad it would be. polly7 Mar 2016 #23
No, she did not "cause much of the horror." That is utterly ludicrious. DanTex Mar 2016 #25
Yeah ................. she did. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #26
No she didn't. And you didn't answer my question. Are you voting D in November? DanTex Mar 2016 #28
I just told you. I don't even vote there. polly7 Mar 2016 #29
I don't see the answer. Is that a "yes" or a "no"? DanTex Mar 2016 #31
Are you twelve? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #33
Yes or no? Why the dodging? Why the personal attacks? Why is this so complicated? DanTex Mar 2016 #34
uhhhh .................. I don't vote there. Did you miss that? polly7 Mar 2016 #37
Thanks, yes I missed it. Would you be so kind to share your opinion of the Bernie or Bust movement? DanTex Mar 2016 #39
Start a new thread on that. You've derailed this one enough as it is. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #40
I think it's relevant to this one, since the people spreading the Hillary-hate are most often DanTex Mar 2016 #41
You can't even talk about her wrt the suffering she's caused ... no need to take you seriously polly7 Mar 2016 #43
I did talk about it. It's preposterous to claim that she "caused" things like the Syrian Civil War. DanTex Mar 2016 #46
You're hilarious. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #49
Where do you vote? nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #56
In Canada. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #58
You are trying to have a discussion with a fanatic. Such an effort is pointless. I suggest IGNORE. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #76
You are right. And I have no idea how anyone can rationalize anything polly7 Mar 2016 #81
I think the difference between you and I, Dan... Buddyblazon Mar 2016 #19
That's not true at all. Yes, I want Hillary to win, and you (presumably) want Bernie to win. DanTex Mar 2016 #24
"...her apology feels more like political calculation than genuine contrition." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #9
She later said Iraq should be thought of as a business opportunity. polly7 Mar 2016 #16
Yeesh! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #62
Thanks for the comprehensive analysis of Kissinger..er...HRC EndElectoral Mar 2016 #10
A nice, LONG list of particulars. . . . that's always a good thing to have around pdsimdars Mar 2016 #11
Impressive OP. Punkingal Mar 2016 #13
I've been compiling this stuff for a month now. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #32
I've been compiling it since before the first bombs were dropped in Iraq, but polly7 Mar 2016 #38
Where were you on this in 2004 WhiteTara Mar 2016 #60
I was on another board - always - protesting the suffering of millions. That's where. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #61
My question... WhiteTara Mar 2016 #63
I expressed the same 'truth' (lmfao at 'vitriol') as I do and did against everyone polly7 Mar 2016 #64
in other words, no. WhiteTara Mar 2016 #65
Now, now ........... don't lie. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #66
hmm? BTW Thanks WhiteTara Mar 2016 #69
No worries! I have great interest in all elections ........ especially ones that put in place polly7 Mar 2016 #70
Naw, you won't. Punkingal Mar 2016 #42
Please do. The more this is blown up, the better. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #44
Good job BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #67
very dana_b Mar 2016 #73
By pushing this candidate, the DNC is actively forcing a split in this party. nt vintx Mar 2016 #14
It's a fear tactic Rebkeh Mar 2016 #30
I think your hat and stomach are definitely safe NWCorona Mar 2016 #17
The corporate, neocon takeover of the Dem Party is complete. Broward Mar 2016 #21
Cuba is undemocratic FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #22
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! tk2kewl Mar 2016 #27
Excellent compendium ... Trajan Mar 2016 #35
War is peace, up is down, black is white and Hillary is progressive. Scuba Mar 2016 #36
Nice campaign piece Onlooker Mar 2016 #45
k&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #47
And for anyone who I have on my ignore list VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #48
Thanks for putting "third way" in the first sentence Dem2 Mar 2016 #50
I will never "feel the bern" and luckily I will never have to seeing as he's losing. Metric System Mar 2016 #51
You will never, ever ......... because you've never been among the millions polly7 Mar 2016 #54
That's cute. You're pretending as if Sanders has never voted in favor of military funding. Metric System Mar 2016 #72
There's nothing cute about suffering. polly7 Mar 2016 #75
K&R! dchill Mar 2016 #52
K&R..... daleanime Mar 2016 #53
She will NOT be getting my vote. closeupready Mar 2016 #55
It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'progressive' is. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #57
You owe me a new cup of tea VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #71
Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas Mar 2016 #59
Calling all Hillary supporters ... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #68
K and R SHRED Mar 2016 #74
and if you don't like it, uh PRIVILEGE! MisterP Mar 2016 #77
All I can do is laugh and add people to my ignore queue when they start going on about that. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #78
don't go on Tumblr: I haven't SEEN a Black gay vet put in a wheelchair by their Amazonian MisterP Mar 2016 #84
Made that mistake already. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #85
just look at her campaigning on Latinos: Clinton's proxies MisterP Mar 2016 #86
Great job, VP! farleftlib Mar 2016 #79
your hat is quite safe ibegurpard Mar 2016 #80
Sounds like Fascism to me. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #82
Well hey, her supporters already use Inner Party math. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #83
Amen X 1000 bvar22 Mar 2016 #87
The Third Way always brings out the worst in me.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #88
Excellent summation. Duppers Mar 2016 #89
She lies every single say Doctor_J Mar 2016 #90
Perfect candidate noiretextatique Mar 2016 #91
K&R SMC22307 Mar 2016 #92
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