2016 Postmortem

PufPuf23

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66. There will be protests at the convention for two very real reasons over and above the

Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:24 AM

Jun 2016

specific candidacy of Bernie Sanders:

1) Antiwar.

2) No representation of those that do not support neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism and do not want those philosophies to lead the Democratic party or nation.

The situation echoes 1968.

I never expected Sanders to win the Democratic nomination nor did I expect Sanders to do so well but am glad that he did; the outcome has been revealing, to me in not a good way.

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Hillary supporters: How is Hillary's and your claiming victory prematurely going to unite the party? [View all] cui bono Jun 2016 OP

You think they actually care about unity? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #1

I care about as much as Obama did in 2008. joshcryer Jun 2016 #2

Sure they do. bvf Jun 2016 #7

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #10

LPCBBs demwing Jun 2016 #67

This isn't about Hillary, this is about not-Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2016 #3

Yep Funny that they think they are progressive and yet they abhor the first real progressive cui bono Jun 2016 #8

HRC supporters haven't thought that out yet. Skink Jun 2016 #83

Exactly. and before choosing a candidate, I for one... nenagh Jun 2016 #84

Lol, the winner declaring victory is not about Bernie, it's about the winner geek tragedy Jun 2016 #104

She wins on Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #4

No, she doesn't. How does claiming victory prematurely help unity? cui bono Jun 2016 #11

really ? becasue after New York the delegate lead became insurmountable beachbum bob Jun 2016 #27

Hillary stayed in until June, forcefully stated her case for doing so and condemned those who Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #35

Your recollection of the 2016 history is accurate. Thank you. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #62

It is June. And Clinton will be declaring victory under a similar set of facts as Obama: onenote Jun 2016 #110

She is the presumptive nominee and becomes official at the convention Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #49

Nope. bvf Jun 2016 #12

You guys are embarrassing yourselves Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #55

The "undemocratic" idea of the super-delegates are the rules established by the Democratic party. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #64

Please check back bvf Jun 2016 #68

win or lose, we keep the revolution going Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #70

Nonsense-not only will your 'revolution' not surive but we loose all progress since Roosevelt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

They helped solidify my opinion on mending bridges Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #5

Well said. nt vintx Jun 2016 #60

There's no indication they want unity or a coalition. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #6

This thread is certainly making that clear. cui bono Jun 2016 #38

How does denying sheer reality and threatening protests at the convention help unity? RBInMaine Jun 2016 #9

No, you are wrong. cui bono Jun 2016 #14

This is how they build bridges Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #15

There will be protests at the convention for two very real reasons over and above the PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #66

She was much closer to Obama than Bernie is when Obama declared victory BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #13

There was much less at stake in 2008 because they are virtually identical cui bono Jun 2016 #16

As Joe Stalin once said, everyone has their reasons BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #18

You don't understand what this election is about. cui bono Jun 2016 #22

And your great hope to "save" democracy requires overturning the voters mythology Jun 2016 #28

Where did I say anything about overturning the voters... ? cui bono Jun 2016 #32

Many HRC supporters in 2008, and I wasn't one of them, were just as upset BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #30

Not this time. There are stark differences in the two Dem Party candidates. cui bono Jun 2016 #34

No, Democrats do not share the same domestic policy goals, many of us have spent a lifetime Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #39

What social policies are we fighting about now? BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #45

She did not concede until the primaries were over in 2008 passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #92

Because she could run for the WH again and there was zero point in continuing BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #97

Correct. But as soon as they were over Obama was claiming the nomination and the media agreed onenote Jun 2016 #99

It doesn't matter who claims it or agrees. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #109

Your premise is flawed. It's not premature. As for uniting the party ... Lil Missy Jun 2016 #17

Absolutely not. It's up to Hillary to unite the party if she is the nominee. cui bono Jun 2016 #23

By getting the majority of votes. With, or without you. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #42

What's funny about your statement is history justiceischeap Jun 2016 #47

Completely agree, I sure won't be recognizing her Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #19

It's not premature, she'll claim victory when she reaches a majority. YouDig Jun 2016 #20

A majority does not clinch the nomination. A certain amount is needed and she cannot reach it. cui bono Jun 2016 #25

Yes it does. Sorry, the rest of us don't go by #berniemath. YouDig Jun 2016 #29

There you go, proving my point again. cui bono Jun 2016 #36

No, you proving mine. #berniemath YouDig Jun 2016 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #74

like this...hillary went thru a much harder and CLOSER primary fight with Obama in 2008 beachbum bob Jun 2016 #21

This is an entirely different situtation though, with much more at stake. cui bono Jun 2016 #31

This from the self-help column in today's paper: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #24

Gotta love how you guys keep proving my point. cui bono Jun 2016 #26

I think this is their tacit admission that Hillary is likely to be indicted Fumesucker Jun 2016 #33

I see crap like that and it strikes me that Camp Clinton has no desire to win in November and Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #41

I would like to add that my three kids who are Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary Clinton. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #37

Skinner's thing about "get it out of your systems" - everyone reads that as Sanders supporters. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #40

You are correct, except.... cui bono Jun 2016 #43

watch the tumbleweeds roll down the main street of GD grasswire Jun 2016 #81

Premature?? Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #46

They don't need us. We're throw aways. mmonk Jun 2016 #48

There is no helping some people Renew Deal Jun 2016 #50

Why is California magically more important than the other 57 contests? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #51

It's not. However, California has 34 million people. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #96

A phony premise. Most Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary. The more extreme ones on Trust Buster Jun 2016 #52

It worked when Obama did it in 2008 book_worm Jun 2016 #53

It's always considered over when pledged + SD gets the majority. Bernie wants different rules... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54

What do you think presumptive nominee means? Metric System Jun 2016 #56

Oh Boy. Bernie supporter Ass Kissing can only go on for so long. timlot Jun 2016 #57

Team Hill is desperate for the win Hydra Jun 2016 #58

would not matter what hillco does,Bernie was the reason many people wendylaroux Jun 2016 #59

We're you around the party in 2004 and/or 2008? This is how it works. Tarc Jun 2016 #61

A lot of these posters weren't voting Democratic anyway redstateblues Jun 2016 #63

Thing is, Hillary doesn't have to win CA to win the majority of pledged delegates. tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #65

they want bernie out so they can plug in biden after indictment restorefreedom Jun 2016 #69

Hillary will claim to be the *Presumptive* Nominee. As is the Tradition and long time Precedent. Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #71

not with her GE poll numbers MisterP Jun 2016 #78

Hillary's already moved on to the GE. okasha Jun 2016 #85

How is it premature to acknowledge the fact that as soon as onenote Jun 2016 #72

It has nothing to do with uniting the Party; it has to do with acknowledging reality. brooklynite Jun 2016 #73

Thank you for admitting that "nothing to do with uniting the party" azurnoir Jun 2016 #77

Finally an entire OP GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #75

I'm not talking at all about oh, they're being mean so I won't vote for their candidate. cui bono Jun 2016 #94

I understand GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #106

That's what campaigns are about, outreach. cui bono Jun 2016 #111

I don't care rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #76

their purpose is to push progressives out of our own party. grasswire Jun 2016 #79

Was it premature in 2008 RandySF Jun 2016 #80

I don't think anything Hillary or Bernie says at this point will affect the general much. merrily Jun 2016 #82

Sanders himself called for Obama in '08, ascent demanded of Clinton in '08. seabeyond Jun 2016 #86

Just because Sanders refuse to throw in the towel asuhornets Jun 2016 #87

HRC should go after the Repubs that need someone they can believe in. Skink Jun 2016 #88

No, she should make sure the party doesn't split in two, especially when she is a big reason cui bono Jun 2016 #95

I started another thread but I'll post it here too passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #89

The most favorable polls I can find ContinentalOp Jun 2016 #90

Excellent OP, cui bono. senz Jun 2016 #91

When they say "unite the Party", they mean Maedhros Jun 2016 #93

Another question: How is denying Clinton's victory going to unite the party onenote Jun 2016 #98

Lol, what nonsense Tarc Jun 2016 #100

pointing out things you don't like about a candidate is fair game Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #102

What' s premature? apcalc Jun 2016 #101

You don't get to deny her the right to declare victory in the same manner Obama did. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #103

Fine! I'll wait until tomorrow night, 10 PM Pacific. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #105

kinda like sanders and his people ignoring reality?? They have not intention of playing nice beachbum bob Jun 2016 #107