2016 Postmortem

treestar

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123. It was the same with President Obama

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:43 PM

Jun 2016

and there are times we called out what we considered racism. One of the main factors was holding him to a higher standard.

I'm sure there will be "criticism" based on sexism too.

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Folks the US can't shut down all political disagreement for 8 years simply because.... [View all] Armstead Jun 2016 OP

'If she sells us out with one or more policy, she does not get a free pass, elleng Jun 2016 #1

"IF she sells us out..." No ifs LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #126

But you will get to complain about it so what's the problem? HUGE sarcasm. Skwmom Jun 2016 #128

She's the worst type of politician there is farleftlib Jun 2016 #2

Clinton knows who the real adversaries to progress are Zorro Jun 2016 #65

Trump is worse than HRC lancer78 Jun 2016 #93

I don't think even their SCOTUS pics would be all that different. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #102

I disagree lancer78 Jun 2016 #104

Trump is also a racist and a misogynist. thucythucy Jun 2016 #130

She is the lancer78 Jun 2016 #68

Only BSS say that. It's a red herring redstateblues Jun 2016 #85

+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #116

Clinton has faced sexism her entire life and preserved. How fucking condescending can you be. seabeyond Jun 2016 #3

Call it condescending if you want but it's the truth Armstead Jun 2016 #5

In order for a black, women, gay to run, they must never challenge bigotry? Sure makes it comfy for seabeyond Jun 2016 #8

I might not always agree with you but you expressed exactly what I wished I had..... AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #58

Noone can be called smart lancer78 Jun 2016 #69

do you think you're saying anything that any Clinton supporter doesn't know? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #9

No insight....I'm simply reacting to some of the nonsense being spouted Armstead Jun 2016 #12

no, of course not. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17

I think that was inappropriate for him to say Armstead Jun 2016 #30

This woman agrees that Hillary Clinton is unqualified. 60 years a feminist woman. It makes me happy GuestCheck Jun 2016 #67

You have an odd definition of unqualified nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #70

Here is one of my grandnieces definitions GuestCheck Jun 2016 #74

Oh. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #75

That is as a discussion you would want to have with my grandniece. GuestCheck Jun 2016 #76

Hillary voted for the IWR. cui bono Jun 2016 #94

Says one of the people who plays the gender card the most. cui bono Jun 2016 #18

Weird post Cui Bono, even for you. seabeyond Jun 2016 #21

I've seen this claim made before,Sea. If I were you I'd sufrommich Jun 2016 #26

Whatever it is, odd with a dash of... Funny as hell. Lol. Ya, a handful like to play this game. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #37

........ sufrommich Jun 2016 #45

The punctuation, capitalization and run on sentences morningfog Jun 2016 #89

I think it's adorable that you cower behind implication. It illustrates your character... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #137

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #32

So have a lot of us. That doesn't account for her lack of integrity. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #117

whiplash following your redirect. seabeyond Jun 2016 #118

That was too hard for you to follow? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #119

Not hard to follow at all. One has nothing to do with the other, or the conversation at hand. seabeyond Jun 2016 #120

This is exactly the argument conservatives made when the racism sufrommich Jun 2016 #4

You want to make it a straw man, then don't use it to excess to deflect criticism Armstead Jun 2016 #7

I'm sure all the ladies appreciate you explaining this whole sexism/criticism/equality geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6

Not all. But some agree with me 100 percent. Armstead Jun 2016 #10

what you said is so banal and mundane and obvious that you really insult geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11

I never said it was a profound unique insight Armstead Jun 2016 #13

no you were lecturing, not merely expressing your opinion geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15

You prove my point Armstead Jun 2016 #23

Yes, when a woman is winning by a wide margin and a bunch of 20 something men geek tragedy Jun 2016 #38

I know nothing about that Twitter campaign...Is it all 20 something males? Armstead Jun 2016 #42

did you not notice the part about the double standard? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #47

You want me to be totally honest? Armstead Jun 2016 #49

okay, do you admit that she has every right to declare victory if she's won the popular vote, the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #50

She has the right to do anything she wants....As does Bernie Armstead Jun 2016 #55

I'm a woman and Armstead can talk about whatever he wants. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #25

No, you're wrong. I'm a woman and I appreciate the post. cui bono Jun 2016 #28

Glad you did. 840high Jun 2016 #90

Hopefully, your next expressed opinion will be relevant and of substance. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #138

The people who overplayed the gender card need to be told this. cui bono Jun 2016 #20

+1 nt riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #27

+2 unapatriciated Jun 2016 #48

+3 pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #57

+4 dchill Jun 2016 #82

I had this argument last week.. coco77 Jun 2016 #88

+5 840high Jun 2016 #91

I'm 100% positive this place will label anyone sexist... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #14

Democratic is defined as laserhaas Jun 2016 #59

The 'cry wolf' sexists are out in force on this thread. *Everything* critical of Hillary is "sexist" w4rma Jun 2016 #16

It's sad that so many recent posts don't seem to reflect an understanding of these points. Vattel Jun 2016 #19

I'm sure there's a very reasonable cause for the double standards that get geek tragedy Jun 2016 #22

This 'dude' offers that she spent years claiming rights I must not have, according to her Goddy God Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #35

Yes she has faced double standards unapatriciated Jun 2016 #56

there are always going to be bogus claims of bias and discrimination geek tragedy Jun 2016 #60

There has been way too many unapatriciated Jun 2016 #64

the primary contest will be over on Tuesday geek tragedy Jun 2016 #73

Not his place, but it is our place unapatriciated Jun 2016 #135

There is a difference between wanting representation and a seat at the table on one hand geek tragedy Jun 2016 #136

Please use common sense. Vattel Jun 2016 #66

Sure, the reason he's not recognizing the will of the voters geek tragedy Jun 2016 #72

nice deflection Vattel Jun 2016 #95

We will see from his tone this week whether he thinks he can tell Hillary what to do geek tragedy Jun 2016 #98

I would bet on him conceding, but I could be wrong. Vattel Jun 2016 #100

as I said, it will be tone. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #101

Who has suggested the she shouldn't be subject to criticism as President? brooklynite Jun 2016 #24

Read some of the stuff being posted Armstead Jun 2016 #34

I would expect to see most ardent Hillary's supporters follow the lead of Obama's azurnoir Jun 2016 #29

Should she get into the WH, they cannot sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #31

It's be coupleism or something Armstead Jun 2016 #46

People have walked on eggshells over the reason behind the double standard. joshcryer Jun 2016 #33

There is probably sexism involved. But I think the bigger factor is the both of them Armstead Jun 2016 #36

The complaints I and many others have about Hillary snot Jun 2016 #39

Oh yes we can! KoKo Jun 2016 #40

more to the point, kiboshig criticism on DU and DKos won't actually do anything in the real world MisterP Jun 2016 #41

Build a straw-man, knock him over, declare victory!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #43

Do you think the only reason Bernie decided to run was because Clinton is a female? Armstead Jun 2016 #44

No. Put your straw man away. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #84

Political disagreement being shut down is in your imagination MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #51

Ask LGBT people how it went with Obama Prism Jun 2016 #52

It happened during the healthcasre debate Armstead Jun 2016 #61

They wore racism out Prism Jun 2016 #62

I would argue it's gone on longer than 2012 BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #97

Replace every single reference to sexism Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #53

She's going to be in a protected bubble...here at DU laserhaas Jun 2016 #54

I'm not sure you would ever be able to understand exactly why this is so wrong, AuntPatsy Jun 2016 #63

Where have you been the past 20 years?? DCBob Jun 2016 #71

And your point is.....? Armstead Jun 2016 #77

Feel free to ignore those who say that. DCBob Jun 2016 #79

Others have said it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #78

I well remember the" I would have liked Hillary had she remained a senator post" Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #80

Yeah let's forget the many admittedly sexist posts they've already treated us too.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #108

My eyesight is bad. Forgive me for typos. Armstead Jun 2016 #111

Works for me Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #113

I well remember "I would have liked Hillary had she remained a senator" Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #81

Good on you Armstead LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #83

I always assumed that would be the case -- Democracy has become a Kabuki Dance Armstead Jun 2016 #92

Being female is just one of her many presumed privileges. leveymg Jun 2016 #86

I think having a woman president would bring... tom-servo Jun 2016 #87

I don't expect you to understand how posting something like this 8 years ago... moriah Jun 2016 #96

Sorry, but you are doing what I am referring to Armstead Jun 2016 #109

No, you have said flat out you think she's overstepping "her place". moriah Jun 2016 #114

Everyone has their "place" ....You are inaccuratly characterizing what I said. Armstead Jun 2016 #115

And millions who voted for her for President thought her place was very different moriah Jun 2016 #121

Place was originally a bad use of words. Armstead Jun 2016 #122

Understood on the unrepentance. Also unrepentant here for pointing out... moriah Jun 2016 #129

Come on Armstead, you're smarter than this. Hillary has faced criticism for 30 years and she always seaglass Jun 2016 #99

What you are referring to is not what I am referring to Armstead Jun 2016 #106

You are truly the only person I have seen make that initial argument. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #103

Read the comments....There are people who agree Armstead Jun 2016 #105

Not one outside of yourself. You are the only one. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #107

All those "I agrees" don't exist? Armstead Jun 2016 #110

couldn't agree more K&R n/t dana_b Jun 2016 #112

It was the same with President Obama treestar Jun 2016 #123

Disagreeing with Obama's healthcare policies, for example, was not racism Armstead Jun 2016 #124

I don't think anyone said that treestar Jun 2016 #125

It was said frequently Armstead Jun 2016 #127

New song for Hillary azurnoir Jun 2016 #131

Is that Aimee Mann or have I got my 80's groups mixed up? Armstead Jun 2016 #132

no it's Gwen Stefani aka the former Mrs Gavin Rossdale azurnoir Jun 2016 #133

Ooops...even got my eras mixed up Armstead Jun 2016 #134