2016 Postmortem

seabeyond

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114. Sanders has not been vetted. I on the other hand, researched Sanders when he first threw his hat in.

Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:00 AM

Jul 2016

I researched, read, and processed a lot of information, starting with Sanders in his 20's and thru out his life. Both his personal life and his professional life. I am hitting this from the angle of being informed, listening, ..... listening, listening, listening, ..... And coming to a totally different conclusion than you have. And many of his supporters. Also with the understanding that there was a whole lot of dichotomy in this primary, which absolutely fuckin interests me in amazing.

I can talk about Sanders and this primary, the hypocrisy and dichotomy, for hours. Maybe days.

This is what I truly appreciate that Sanders has brought to the table. I call bullshit on the policy, because he is giving no more, than the already Democratic platform. I am not fooled to believe, he is the ONLY progressive to be found. I do not buy into that and I believe, historically, factually that can easily be argued.

Sanders has helped allow me to sharpen issues I already know about. The whole Social Justice issue was more sharply defined and clear, with Sanders running. A huge gift from him, to me, in understanding the life we live.

People have got to stop assuming that one is not simply differing opinions and conclusions instead of assuming they are simply stupid or uninformed. It makes it so much easier to understand. And, I listened to Sanders. I listened, and am listening to his supporters.

We disagree though.

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Sanders is itching for a convention fight [View all] brooklynite Jul 2016 OP

I thought Sanders wanted platform planks. Turns out, he only wants a fight? merrily Jul 2016 #1

He'll be completely shut out, then. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #2

Good luck with that AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #3

I don't see why shutting him out would be difficult. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #8

It would be easy, and stupid AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #10

Meh... most grown ups know, throwing out threats will result in people doing what is necessary to seabeyond Jul 2016 #14

Pure speculation AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #31

Listening to Sanders and taking him at his words, along with his supporters. At what point are we seabeyond Jul 2016 #33

+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #68

Sanders is one of the few politicians whom you can trust to speak truth to power. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #105

I disagree. I know that is the meme, but I did not find the reality in his campaign. I think, seabeyond Jul 2016 #107

I respect your opinion, but disagree strenuously with your dim view of Bernie. His influence over the party platform speaks to his non-establishment pedigree. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #109

Why would she emulate Sanders when being herself gained 4-million more votes than Sanders? stopbush Jul 2016 #111

This is just one of many oddities. Clinton success thru out the campaign. Historical success. seabeyond Jul 2016 #115

Sanders has not been vetted. I on the other hand, researched Sanders when he first threw his hat in. seabeyond Jul 2016 #114

Perhaps getting shut out is his goal. JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #39

I had heard but not positive, that he already registered as Independent for his senate run. seabeyond Jul 2016 #42

+1 JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #43

Offended here too, but anti-Democrats on both Hortensis Jul 2016 #75

Back in April, Weaver confirmed that Sanders would remain a Democrat for life, post-primaries caquillo Jul 2016 #45

I disagree with Weaver. Pretty certain he won't but what do I know. I'm not even willing to invest seabeyond Jul 2016 #47

He is already set up to run as an Independent in 2018, even has his campaign committee registered... George II Jul 2016 #102

The rules are clear. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #25

There have been a large number of compromises made to platform Gothmog Jul 2016 #59

Will the 1,879 Sanders delegates be shut out as well? David__77 Jul 2016 #51

It would take a vote of 3,177 delegates in favor of suspending the rules in order to allow.... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #53

I never said that Clinton delegates would support Sanders speaking. David__77 Jul 2016 #54

Only one of his delegates will be allowed to speak. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #56

I don't personally think that is what will happen. David__77 Jul 2016 #60

I judge potential future behavior on past actions. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #61

I can understand that. David__77 Jul 2016 #62

IT will definitely be well managed. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #64

Thank you for providing real BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #69

How would they be "shut out"? They'll be at the convention and will be permitted to participate... George II Jul 2016 #101

The platform will be, as always, a compromise. MineralMan Jul 2016 #4

Not sure fight is right word Funtatlaguy Jul 2016 #5

This^^^ thank you! Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #12

Sanders, a non Democrat who is still registered as Independent, running senate as Independent seabeyond Jul 2016 #15

Bingo! tonyt53 Jul 2016 #22

45% say otherwise. GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #26

You're absolutely correct...and the system we have is that the majority wins brooklynite Jul 2016 #27

No, 45% voted for him in the primary elections, but those are over (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #30

35 to 65.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #66

No. The number is not 45%. Much lower. Like 35%, regardless the votes spoke. Also, another point seabeyond Jul 2016 #32

Do not neglect the fact that many of those that voted for Sanders sis so in an open primary. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #37

He can do whatever he wants AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #34

He can do whatever he wants. Calling all of us 'establishment' is suppose seabeyond Jul 2016 #36

He has been in public office for 30 years... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #63

Politico click-bait. Orsino Jul 2016 #48

True, Hillary is the presumptive nominee, but she'd be smart to take Bernie's wise counsel seriously, as it would only benefit her in the general. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #108

Bernie wise? C'mon. Did you read his plans for funding healthcare? stopbush Jul 2016 #112

This would be one. The College plan though, I think is the most clear on the unlevel playing seabeyond Jul 2016 #116

On the face of it, this country should be able to fund free college for all stopbush Jul 2016 #123

You seriously are bringin Reagan into a discussion about Bernie's brilliance?! I read somewhere Bernie's IQ is over 140... Reagan was a blithering idiot! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #124

My IQ is over 140. So what? stopbush Jul 2016 #125

As David Corn's headline today reads: Can Bernie Take Yes For An Answer? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #6

I don't believe he ever will take yes for an answer MO_Dem Jul 2016 #23

The train has already left the station BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #70

Hilarious. bvf Jul 2016 #73

Look, Sanders mouths off shit about Denocrats or Clinton, people will address. That simple. seabeyond Jul 2016 #83

There's a world of difference bvf Jul 2016 #85

Sanders lost his relevance. More petulance and people do not respect that. And still, insult all seabeyond Jul 2016 #86

Irrelevant enough to keep you posting. Uh huh. I see. bvf Jul 2016 #88

I find Sanders fascinating. Hence, continued conversation. That does not equate to relevance. seabeyond Jul 2016 #89

Fascinating but irrelevant. bvf Jul 2016 #90

Fascinating, hell yes. What privilege and entitlement looks like so very clearly. seabeyond Jul 2016 #91

*Do* go on. bvf Jul 2016 #93

Go on with what? I said what I wanted to say. If you do not see that we have progressed forward seabeyond Jul 2016 #94

The only thing on me bvf Jul 2016 #98

There is no need for any of us to be mean to other members. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #99

You must be lots of fun at parties. lapucelle Jul 2016 #126

Which alternative are you performing here? Cary Jul 2016 #120

I haven't seen many posts bashing Sanders in recent weeks, and the few that have.... George II Jul 2016 #103

He's itching for a spotlight. It seems to be a drug sufrommich Jul 2016 #7

More than anything. You are right WhiteTara Jul 2016 #13

To bathe in the light, lol. Ya. But, he would have actually gotten to do that if he had walked seabeyond Jul 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #17

Does he want his entire platform adopted? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #9

Yup! pandr32 Jul 2016 #55

They started rallying for it a month ago. Why would we pretend otherwise. It behooves Democrats to seabeyond Jul 2016 #11

It really sounds like he's experiencing an end-of-life crisis. randome Jul 2016 #18

It's just a rash. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #19

At this point, it might be the only reasonable answer. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #21

NPR played a few lines form the Biden interview that will be played this weekend. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #20

This is just getting sad now. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #24

No. This was getting sad on the first Super Tuesday. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #79

This appears to be a re-run of 1992... brooklynite Jul 2016 #28

Such a difficult sheepdog. Bad, Bernie, bad. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #29

Wow, who cares? MoonRiver Jul 2016 #35

Many. n/t Jester Messiah Jul 2016 #52

I will be there and will ready to stand up to Sanders' sad demands Gothmog Jul 2016 #38

These are sad demands? "...a $15 minimum wage, opposition to TPP, and a ban on fracking directly MelissaB Jul 2016 #41

The Minimum wage was agreed to last week Gothmog Jul 2016 #57

What's sad is his inability to actively work with the Democratic Party. randome Jul 2016 #58

What's sad is that he feels entitled to have his every demand met even though he lost. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #67

Oi! MelissaB Jul 2016 #71

Who? zappaman Jul 2016 #40

He is irrelevant at this point MaggieD Jul 2016 #44

Couldn't agree more, absolutely spot on... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #50

Couldn't havesaid it any better! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #78

Yes. Cary Jul 2016 #121

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #46

Whatever...anything to stay on the national stage. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #49

More silliness. nt BootinUp Jul 2016 #65

Hopefully this is being seen by the GOP the way it looks to the average citizen. nt eastwestdem Jul 2016 #72

He's not going to get one mcar Jul 2016 #74

Well, I never. . . floriduck Jul 2016 #76

He should be banned from the convention. Bernie - you lost. You're not the nominee. Now get lost. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #77

It's the spotlight ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #80

What the hell is he thinking... RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #81

Correction.... pokerfan Jul 2016 #82

right.... RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #84

Democrats have been fighting Democratic values long before Sanders voice came into play. seabeyond Jul 2016 #87

Nice Freudian slip, there. bvf Jul 2016 #92

When you put it that way... (nt) pokerfan Jul 2016 #95

How you get to reshape the Democratic Party? You win the nomination! CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #96

oh c'mon man oasis Jul 2016 #97

An itch? This works: MineralMan Jul 2016 #100

+10 Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #104

Here is a good article by Noam Chomsky: this is why Bernie is doing what he is YOHABLO Jul 2016 #106

Here is the truth. I do not care why or what we think is the reason, Sanders is doing what he is. seabeyond Jul 2016 #117

Too bad he's not itching to get out there and campaign stopbush Jul 2016 #110

The attitude of the OP and many of the posters here of express hostility to Bernie ONLY helps Trump cloudythescribbler Jul 2016 #113

Over 80% of Sanders supporters have already walked into Clintons camp. You get that, right? seabeyond Jul 2016 #118

as I suggested in the post, I am less than positive about that 80% figure widely bandied about cloudythescribbler Jul 2016 #119

Ya, whatever. You get to believe what you want. seabeyond Jul 2016 #122

Go home and take a nap, Bernie. mwrguy Jul 2016 #127

No fight to be had...he lost beachbumbob Jul 2016 #128