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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
114. I'm farther to the left than Bernie, but I do not castigate my peers that I count on to have my back
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:57 AM
Jan 2017

See, I do not expect anybody to see the world through my eyes and I also do not think my way of thinking is the only way or the best way. I am ideologically closer to Bernie thn I am to Hillary. I was certainly rooting for him until Netroots. My thing is this; to him, and his supporters, ideology matters more and he matters most. Regardless of what happened at netroots, I had hoped he would use that experience as a tool to learn how to build a coalition.

I, for one, am not comfortable with supporting people or movements that will stamp all over my personal heroes like John Lewis and Delores Huerta. I am an african american latina. To know that a movement that is supposedly left will call people who almost DIED for MY RIGHTS sellouts and uncle toms is fucking offensive. When has Bernie or any of them EVER almost DIED for my right to vote and organize? Never. Respect. They have none.

Respect is the issue. No matter how great ones ideas are, they must still know how to connect with wide swathes of the democratic party in order to achieve any goals set forth in our platform, without completely offending more than half of a particular group. If latinos and african americans and women age thirty five and older feel disrespected and mistreated, nothing will be accomplished. Just like people get personally offended when we call Bernie and themselves out on their tonedeafness, we also have the right to be offended when he calls our party corrupt and out of touch; not only is he wrong, but he is also hypocritical. He calls us out of touch when he failed to touch or connect with the minorities in the democratic party. And no, I am not calling him racist. I am saying he failed to connect and never fixed it.

The fact that minorities, gays, women older than thirty five and many others, to the tune of four million surplus votes, choose somebody who he thinks is out of touch and his supporters think was unable to foment enthusiam, should be a wake up call to the progressive left. If she was such a failure, what does it say that he could not even get close to the numbers SHE pulled in?

I know many think that us blacks and mexicans and gays and old ass ladies of thirty five an older do not matter, and that we would have fallen in line if the nomination had gotten pulled from her and given to him even though she won by four million votes. But they are wrong. If he could not connct with us in the primary, why the hell would we give a damn what he says now after how nasty the bob movement has treated us and our heroes? Like what? Abusing us and treating us like shit because she lost my winning three million more votes than the winner is somehow going to make Bernie MORE appealing? Politicians have to forgive and forget. They must work together. We regular people often will hold a grudg over the smallest things. And this was no small thing.


Until I see some acknowledgement from his side that the treatment of african american and latinos was wrong and will never be repeated, and that we are not going to have a bunch of white upper middle class progressive men and women calling Black and latino civil rights legends sell outs and niggers and wetbacks if they do not choose him, then I will continue to despise everthing he says he stands for and him too. I lost my respect and trust for the progressive left this cycle and my side-with page says 'YOU SIDE WITH JILL STEIN!'. If I, a pretty much radical leftist marxist am pissed off and anti BS, then there is a fucking problem that ignoring my calls and the calls of others will not fix by simply blaming Hillary or ignoring it, or blaming David Brock or pretending Berniebros is a myth.

Why do you think he could not get Corey Booker to sit down and come to an agreement on an amendment? Respect. He has none for us. He showboated to get attention to his pet issue, and completely forgot that he needed votes way more than he needed praise from his following. They will praise him no matter what so he wasted his time and let the amendment fail because he decided to finger point and play 'look at me' rather than sitting down with dems to COMPROMISE. He could have added drug protections and gotten it passed. We may only be 13% of the population but we fucking vote and are reliable voters unlike white men when it comes to democratic politics. And we are tired of hearing him tell us our color dont matter and political correctness is bad and that we use identity politics and that sucks too. Everything he says sounds like a snipe against us 'identity groups' that are harmed when political correctness gets thrown out and whose color ACTUALLY DOES MATTER AND AFFECTS OUR VOTES.
And we got threatened with Trump about Billion times this cycle. Well, they promised us that if we chose her then we would get Donald. (I actually bookmarked some from some of du's long time progressive members.) Nothing else they can threaten us with from here on, they got what they wanted. If they force their guy on us next time we will get the same result.

You do not see Hillary supporters trying to pump he up and push he on any of you anymore. So why do we have to get the peron she beat so badly pushed on us? If they want the primary to end, they have to stop campaigning. We are already done. Just waiting for you guys and responsing to spurious shit and letting y'all know he ain't never gonna happen.

Now, I hated hllary until bernie refused the call of the african americans who called on him to reject that bullshit. Sure, I hold a fucking grudge. But it aint about losing. I'm black. I'm used to losing. It's about being let down by the latent racism of the progressive left. It hurt my feelings to be called niggers by supposed leftists and to b told that something was wrong with me for being pissed about it. That it was just trolls so stfu. That I hated Bernie becaus I opposed people calling John Lewis niggers and sell outs and uncle toms on his facebook page. For rejecting the idea that Bernie's contributions to civil rights mattered more than the contributions of black people because he personally did not HAVE TO do anything.

Maybe, I'm mad because I should be mad. Maybe he should listen. Maybe you should too I
and you should spread the message that that shit was the real issue that killed the progressive movement and prevented it from spreading outside of the white liberal college educated enclaves. That folk like me who are educated are the ones you need to convince gecause we convince those who have less time to spend thinking about politics. Maybe I'm mad because I so fucking wanted you guys to convince us to convince them because my community is RIPE for change and the mark was missed. And that being right does not matter more than being human. We are humans. And his policy ideas were awesome. He and his messengers were horrible at delivering the message because they were so self righteous that they cared not who they offended on their way to 'victory'. In order to end the war both side have to stop CAMPAIGNING. We are done. It's his sides turn to stop campaigning and doing the 'he woulda beat Trump' shit. Maybe you should post on those threads and tell them to cut it out like you have done here with me. I know I posted to you first. But it would help.

You know what I want? A new leader who is not Bernie or Hillary. I would support everything wants legislatively if his name was not attached. I am as tired of Him as his supporters are of Her.

David Brock is such a joke. earthside Jan 2017 #1
Too little, too late... fuck Brock! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #81
Who cares about Brock? dogman Jan 2017 #2
I agree with you -- I didn't see much of that Bernie-Bro nonsense. Akamai Jan 2017 #6
Really? You must not have logged onto the internet then. It was a tidal wave of insults, attacks KittyWampus Jan 2017 #12
How about their treatment of John Lewis? mcar Jan 2017 #51
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that EffieBlack Jan 2017 #88
That people who say they are progressive mcar Jan 2017 #89
But he endorsed Hillary, so he's a sellout. EffieBlack Jan 2017 #92
You're making my head hurt. mcar Jan 2017 #133
While i dont condone negative or disrespectful attacks on people. CentralMass Jan 2017 #134
Lewis had nothing to do with Capehart mcar Jan 2017 #135
I'm a life long democrst who supported Hillary to the bitter end in 2008. CentralMass Jan 2017 #136
there were a lot of putin trolls pretending to be bernie supporters certainot Jan 2017 #142
IT was ridiculous HRC2020 Jan 2017 #150
Of course he did. He did what any GOP mole would do and it worked. Rex Jan 2017 #14
The Bernie Bro FACT was illustrated here on DU daily. I could post many, many links to people KittyWampus Jan 2017 #10
Are you SURE that Brock and company aren't responsible for most or all of that? Akamai Jan 2017 #16
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #18
I've been called a Bernie bro by long time DUers. People who had been here since 2001 liberalnarb Jan 2017 #23
Would you consider yourself a "Bernie Bro" or do you think that a gratuitous insult? Akamai Jan 2017 #24
"Bernie Bro" is used as an ignorant insult. liberalnarb Jan 2017 #29
Yup! simple alliterative insult with no need for proof! Akamai Jan 2017 #33
No question about it! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #129
More bs. dogman Jan 2017 #34
I too recall making an innocuous post and being banned as a result of that. Sure seemed Akamai Jan 2017 #39
I pointed out a misleading comment about PP, that echoed RW and anti-Choice talking points synergie Jan 2017 #56
Almost certainly people on all sides are too sensitive. Sure is unfortunate to narrow the issues presented. Akamai Jan 2017 #57
There were no personal attacks in my posts, there were in the synergie Jan 2017 #78
Just tells me Bernie was right on most progressive issues... debate not allowed... nope, can't have that! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #82
So silencing people was how debate was "allowed" and that he was "right"? synergie Jan 2017 #112
Agree... just saying the principles you espouse should apply to both sides of the debate. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #128
What is PP? Don't know what that refers to. Akamai Jan 2017 #86
Planned Parenthood dionysus Jan 2017 #100
Reading this thread shows who is really carrying a grudge... dionysus Jan 2017 #99
Me too. The ones holding the grudge are the ones who know they fucked up big time bravenak Jan 2017 #104
Lol. The projection is so blatant, it'd be hillarious if we weren't faced with the fact trump is ta dionysus Jan 2017 #105
In reality, we did see a lot of misogyny from both the right and the left. synergie Jan 2017 #113
On cue you just reiterated everything i mentioned. As it will be ad nauseum. dionysus Jan 2017 #117
Yes, I pointed out how you were wrong and explained why. synergie Jan 2017 #138
Lol, hoookay... play that deck of victim cards, put words in my mouth i never said, and above all, dionysus Jan 2017 #140
I'm farther to the left than Bernie, but I do not castigate my peers that I count on to have my back bravenak Jan 2017 #114
You've been manipulated if you, for a second, believe any liberal would call ppl "niggers, spics, or dionysus Jan 2017 #120
Goodnight bravenak Jan 2017 #123
Reading many of the threads in the past months show it to be the same side that synergie Jan 2017 #111
Bernie Bro didn't come from Brock. seaglass Jan 2017 #70
So Brock's Superpac didn't push the meme? dogman Jan 2017 #74
I pushed it because It was not a meme bravenak Jan 2017 #118
I got banned from the Sanders forum for a comment that didn't even mention him LisaM Jan 2017 #76
It was easy when the HRC group banned me, I didn't make that mistake again. dogman Jan 2017 #79
For some reason, far lefties have some sort of obsession with him. It's kind of funny. DanTex Jan 2017 #49
Brock ran a superpac funding anti-Bernie propaganda. dogman Jan 2017 #60
Bernie and his fans did more than their fair share of smearing and propagandizing. DanTex Jan 2017 #62
SOS, you're here telling me Brock is innocent when the OP is about his apology. dogman Jan 2017 #64
I think it's good that people previously at odds come together to fight Trump. DanTex Jan 2017 #65
Their only role in that was losing the Primary. dogman Jan 2017 #66
Not the people booing at the convention. They were Trump allies, witting or not. DanTex Jan 2017 #68
A failed hack is someone who lost to Trump because of their insistence that they are correct. dogman Jan 2017 #77
How about the team that lost to Clinton by double digits? Are they failed hacks? DanTex Jan 2017 #80
"There was no problem with the democratic process of the Democratic party."? dogman Jan 2017 #93
What are you talking about? Of course all votes should be equal. DanTex Jan 2017 #94
The delegate system isn't much different than the electoral college, that's what I'm talking about. dogman Jan 2017 #98
However you want to add up the numbers, Hillary won the primary by a landslide. DanTex Jan 2017 #124
You sound upset that hillary got destroyed, crushed, stomped, by the biggest clown in presidential dionysus Jan 2017 #103
Of course I'm upset that Trump won. What sane person isn't? DanTex Jan 2017 #121
Not saying you arent, im saying a lot of folks seem to be spending as much, if not more, energy dionysus Jan 2017 #122
True. For example, the people bashing David Brock right here. DanTex Jan 2017 #125
Brock was a scumbag before the primary and he's a scumbag after the primary. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #144
Because.. Cha Jan 2017 #109
Seriously... maybe Bernie MADE Brock do it! haha! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #83
Yeah... except that article was dodgy kenfrequed Jan 2017 #61
Dodgy or not, it had nothing to do with David Brock. DanTex Jan 2017 #63
+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #115
Will Brock be apologizing to the Democratic Party also? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #3
Brock has worn out his usefulness, watch him slither back into the GOP ranks. Rex Jan 2017 #4
He's written several illuminating books. But you go ahead and continue with the scapegoating. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #8
See what your trust in a GOP plant got us? Rex Jan 2017 #9
What are you blathering about? And I bet you never bothered to even read any of Brock's books. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #13
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #17
Yeah, he's written several illuminating books on how what an absolute scumbag he is. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #43
You're barking at the wrong tree. It would be Comey and the Russians collaborating with Russians... KittyWampus Jan 2017 #48
You're being WAY to kind in your description of Brock! He helped give us that Cheetoh-faced Nazi... will never forgive him for that! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #84
Personally, I'm still waiting for an apology from Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #5
You say Sanders supporters were "openly cheering" for HRC to lose? What proof Akamai Jan 2017 #11
Just go to the JPR website. Or do some freaking simple internet searches on Sanders supporters who KittyWampus Jan 2017 #15
what is JPR website? I'll check it out. Akamai Jan 2017 #20
JPR was created by an alt-righter. liberalnarb Jan 2017 #25
I think I found the site but it sure seems uneven. Akamai Jan 2017 #41
People will fall for anything... all the Bernie supporters I know follow his lead... decent and strong party loyalists. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #85
Yup -- seems to me to be that way too. I sure as hell am! Enough of the criticism Akamai Jan 2017 #90
By the way, of course many Bernie supporters were Independents and to expect them Akamai Jan 2017 #26
And there are pro Hillary sites that blame Obama for the loss. Exilednight Jan 2017 #31
You could not have said it any better Exiled... bravo! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #91
My proof? The hundreds of Sanders accounts who sniped me on Twitter Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #19
I'm not on twitter and those names are not well-known to me. Akamai Jan 2017 #21
The internet is a place where all kinds of people let out their inner asshole. liberalnarb Jan 2017 #28
This I truly agree with. Godwin's Law predominates on unmoderated sites. Akamai Jan 2017 #35
Me too. But I don't think we'll be getting that. DanTex Jan 2017 #50
The most egregious thing was putting two Stein supporters on the DNC committee. joshcryer Jan 2017 #96
Professional mudslinger funded by big PACs vs some guy on Internet aikoaiko Jan 2017 #67
a lot of those "guys" were paid Russian trolls. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #73
Maybe so. Of course we probably had some of Brock's Correct the Record trolls. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #75
May not be equivalent, but it *IS* worth mentioning... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #157
LOL! They're holding their noses and using Bernie to prevent a Democratic version KittyWampus Jan 2017 #7
Well, people supported Bernie because of the issues he focused on, Akamai Jan 2017 #22
yeah, just what we need: our own version of lunatics blinded by their ideology.. JHan Jan 2017 #32
Where is your proof they weren't paid operatives. dogman Jan 2017 #36
No, they were not "paid"... JHan Jan 2017 #37
Which behavior? dogman Jan 2017 #38
Clinton won the nomination. JHan Jan 2017 #40
No, he's a big part of the reason she lost. dogman Jan 2017 #44
That Nevada primary fiasco, Schultz's clear finger on the scales, etc., was maddening to me but I Akamai Jan 2017 #46
If you guys do not give up this meme if a rigged primary the primary will never end bravenak Jan 2017 #119
His apology and a dime is worth 10 cents. CentralMass Jan 2017 #27
Yes, but as much as I did not like his tactics earlier, I think that if David Brock Akamai Jan 2017 #30
Lets see where his lobbying activities are headed. CentralMass Jan 2017 #42
Yes -- not quite time to reject the offer. One of my favorite statements is: "The perfect is the Akamai Jan 2017 #45
David Brock is and always has been -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2017 #47
I like his comments.........and think that riversedge Jan 2017 #52
What a good sentiment he put forth in that last paragraph! Let's hope he lives up to those words. Akamai Jan 2017 #55
I believe Hillary riversedge Jan 2017 #59
Absolutely -- Hillary and Bernie are grownups working for the same things! Akamai Jan 2017 #72
Too late. Lint Head Jan 2017 #53
Brock is a scum bag that works for the highest bidder. Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #54
"David Brock is a rat fucking mercenary -- and nothing more." SMC22307 Jan 2017 #155
Fuck off Brock. Bernie said it best, you are scum of the earth Arazi Jan 2017 #58
Have Any Lefty Media Types Apologized For Demonizing Hillary? otohara Jan 2017 #69
Did Keith Olbermann ever apologize for claiming ..... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #95
That was ten years ago. Has anybody on Bernie's side ever apologized for one damn thing? bravenak Jan 2017 #102
Holy Smokes - otohara Jan 2017 #137
Um, it was all over du at the time. I had just joined in 2008 Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #141
Class act. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #71
David Brock is a damn peculiar individual. AngryAmish Jan 2017 #87
Fuck Brock. Iggo Jan 2017 #97
He shoulda kept his feeling to himself for a while bravenak Jan 2017 #101
Exactly, brave. David Brock has more class for apologizing and Cha Jan 2017 #110
Bigger than I am too bravenak Jan 2017 #116
I actually can't believe you just described David Brock as having class. Kentonio Jan 2017 #126
+1 eom Arazi Jan 2017 #149
"David Brock is a repulsive little slime merchant"... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #156
David Boogeyman? betsuni Jan 2017 #106
That might be hilarious melman Jan 2017 #107
He's on the side of the left, against the right wing. betsuni Jan 2017 #108
Oh, just remembered a thread wherein it was claimed (not for the first time) that betsuni Jan 2017 #131
I'm glad your heart is finally at peace. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #127
LOL. Good one. betsuni Jan 2017 #132
At least he owns up to some of the toxic bullshit he was spreading about Sanders & his supporters. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #130
Maybe he wants a job with "Our Revolution". Ken Burch Jan 2017 #139
He's still a total scumbag. jfern Jan 2017 #143
Good let's move on now. I hope Brock is successful in Florida. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #145
Yowza! We can't afford a circular firing squad or demand absolute purity in those we're working with Akamai Jan 2017 #146
I'm not sure how you got any of that from my post. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #147
I apologize -- "yowza" to me means I support your views. Not that I am antithetical to them, as I Akamai Jan 2017 #148
Oh, ok. I didn't know what you meant. No worries, it is all good. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #153
This guy always has come to Jesus moments after he's an asshole. Too late, as usual. n/t CanonRay Jan 2017 #151
I wonder if he's sincere BuddyCa Jan 2017 #152
what a nutty slut. nt killbotfactory Jan 2017 #154
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