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2016 Postmortem

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beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:02 PM Oct 2015

A not-that-political friend's take on Bernie Sanders [View all]

Got this email from a friend the other day. He's not politically ignorant, but he's nowhere near as engrossed in politics as most of us here are, and though he generally leans left on issues, he's nowhere near the liberal that I am. Posting this here for your consideration and/or enjoyment; the only other bit of "context" I'll provide is to mention that he lives in the city of San Francisco.

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I watched the debate twice last night; kinda weird picking winners with this stuff, but the first run through I thought Bernie was the solid winner; second time through I have to say Hillary did well-enough (if you are a Hillary supporter), probably an even score between those two. Bernie earned bonus points, of course, in that he got exposure to people who may not know him so much. I can't say I heard anything from him that was new to me, however I did have a realization last night; and remember this is coming from an outsider of sorts in that I have some conservative-ness in me, not a diehard Dem I guess I'm saying. Anyway, my new view regarding Bernie is, and I put this in caps purposefully:

ANY DEMOCRAT WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS IS A COWARD.

Throughout the years, in the many, many cocktail, dinner, work-lunch, barbeque coffeehouse conversations I've had with people who consider themselves democrats/progressives/liberals/whatever - all I've heard to the point of exhaustion is EXACTLY what Bernie presents. On every point his view is exactly what progressive, democratic people-for-change claim they want in a politician. There are zero holes; he not only hits all the "we want!" points, he also dismisses and doesn't really care about the stuff that is not truly important. As an example, I'd put the legalization of marijuana in that category. Realistically "liberal" people like to talk about legalization, but to most, even democrats, I think it's a "nice to have". His response (with pause) of "I'd probably vote for that" really shows how that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things. His focus and core perspectives, the changes he suggests are right on point with what the modern democrat proudly postures as what is objectively and obviously correct. Bernie’s plan of action is clear, concrete and unwavering - "Let's fix the economy, break up the big banks and balance out tax distribution; stay out of wars until we really have to get involved; build back the middle-class; treat all people with respect and dignity; pull tax money away from the top to make education and healthcare available to all and stop wasting time, money and energy on political silliness like someone’s damn emails!"

These points are precisely the promises initiated and strongly upheld, at least in voice, for the last 40-plus years by the boomer generation, the originators of the modern Democratic party. Aging boomers and the modern progressives who have carried their baton forward have repeated this bundle of values over and over and over with loud, insistent, sometimes obnoxious voices and yet very little has been actualized or even felt close in reach. Every four years again there is the opportunity to make your vote count, power to the people. But the people continue to support, by passive allowance, the political machine to move forward manufacturing and outputting a long string of safe, digestible Democrats who are “For Change!, sorta” and we vote accordingly because we, the People, are perhaps “For Change! sorta” as well? We will find out in 2016.

It would be an egotistical slogan and probably not good campaign advice, but really here's the poster:

Bernie with arms spread wide, smiling. Caption reads: "Hey democrats, progressives, liberals, people-for-change - Here I AM!"

Just like any horrible, sinful person will be granted their place in heaven with a simple acceptance of Jesus as their savior on their deathbed, an action that clears all the sins of their past. The entire boomer generation can be forgiven of all their sins if each, on their now deathbeds, open their by-mail voter ballot at the hospital, take out a pen and with shaky hand mark a vote for Bernie Sanders. It would be the final political action to clear all the mistakes and broken promises they’ve made in the past. Fifty years ago they started the exact call for change expressed by Bernie Sanders, point-by-point, and yet that call is still required. For those younger, this is their chance to not repeat the mistakes of their liberal predecessors and choose a candidate for true change, change that will require effort and work, change that will require compromises, but change that will be lasting and in the end be the correct and right thing to do!

To me, this is a defining moment for our generation’s modern Democratic party. Moving forward in any political conversation, if someone starts giving me the whinny liberal rant, I will ask - did you support Bernie Sanders in 2016? If "no", then I say - "Well, you are living the consequences of your own mistake.” I hate to be boomer-righteous, but really - anyone who considers themselves liberal/progressive/whatever and does not support Bernie Sanders in 2016 is a coward! This is a once in a generation opportunity for people to shut-up and put-up. There is no third party splitting here, no interests forcing Bernie's hand, he is not running because of any social or demographic look-and-feel; he is not even a value-based politician like so many Democrats are. His is a call to action. Simply and sincerely, Bernie Sanders is "FOR CHANGE", for actual, concrete, and game-changing change at a time when change is not just a "nice to have", but necessary. Bernie Sanders’ message, echoing Kennedy era progressiveness, begins with "Here's what WE need to do". His language of inclusion was so natural and inviting. And his insistence that it all begins with "You guys out there need to do some of the work and rise up" is key. So - let's do this! And insist with our actions and our voices and our votes that Bernie Sanders be the 2016 Democratic Candidate and next President so that we can finally get this country moving forward!

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Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #1
:) cprise Oct 2015 #2
I wonder what your dialogue will be busterbrown Oct 2015 #75
Since we are getting into the hypothetical, what would the public's reaction be to such a circumstance? leftupnorth Oct 2015 #87
Better question: Who appeals more to swing/independent voters? cprise Oct 2015 #88
Parlor advocate liberals Prism Oct 2015 #3
Oh really? daleanime Oct 2015 #8
Really. Android3.14 Oct 2015 #12
Sorry..... daleanime Oct 2015 #15
Are you capable of intelligent discourse, or just snark? [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #27
Ask me a real question... daleanime Oct 2015 #34
FYI: I'm a boomer, and my peers.. we aren't comfortable or economically secure.. 2banon Oct 2015 #73
I think I support most of Bernie's issues too upaloopa Oct 2015 #4
Bernie has changed the entire discussion 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #6
+1 - You win! Unfortunately, the Empire may trump. After all, it's THEIR money! erronis Oct 2015 #20
Other side of the Coin Rilgin Oct 2015 #7
when HRC flip flops on an issue, any of the many issues by the way, bumprstickr Oct 2015 #29
They tie themselves into knots hifiguy Oct 2015 #54
Don't forget.. cannabis_flower Oct 2015 #68
Yes I'm sure that you can imagine it..... daleanime Oct 2015 #9
I'm so glad marym625 Oct 2015 #16
+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #53
"OK, here's what we're gonna do." Plucketeer Oct 2015 #17
With his experience and my observation of him ms liberty Oct 2015 #36
I see h telling her cabinet artislife Oct 2015 #43
I envision her moving her cabinet meetings to Wall Street. Divernan Oct 2015 #46
More anecdotal data is coming in cosmicone Oct 2015 #5
Yes, we know that you don't want to listen to us..... daleanime Oct 2015 #10
That's right! A vote for anyone but the most conservative Democrat is..... beerandjesus Oct 2015 #11
Does it take an independent to save the Democratic Party from itself? aidbo Oct 2015 #13
You know, Bernie's run such a good campaign as "Bernie" that maybe erronis Oct 2015 #22
Oh, What is it like getting old? I am 67 and feel like I am rooting for RFK. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #23
Hey geezer, speak for yourself... I'd love to see some real young people erronis Oct 2015 #33
I don't think Bernie will run again if he doesn't make it this time. aidbo Oct 2015 #28
I think if he had run from the outside Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #31
K&R! marym625 Oct 2015 #14
I was driving in town yesterday Plucketeer Oct 2015 #18
K&R Dem2 Oct 2015 #19
so true and hard to deal with . olddots Oct 2015 #21
Thank you, Very good. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #24
+1000 Bernie is bringing people back into the system! LongTomH Oct 2015 #25
Coward. This is the word that comes to mind every time I jwirr Oct 2015 #26
absolutely Locrian Oct 2015 #45
In addition to the other responses jeff47 Oct 2015 #62
I have a Facebook friend who should be on LibDemAlways Oct 2015 #65
In the context of this OP, I'm perplexed by the energetic support for Hillary on DU. Maedhros Oct 2015 #30
Some folks, even on the left, are doing very well under the 'status quo'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #32
They live in a denial bubble that ignores the 50 million Americans living in poverty. Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Oct 2015 #38
...and they have the gall to pretend that those of us supporting BERNIE are the "privileged" ones. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #40
We have to fight. Lives are on the line. It's a moral issue to ignore the millions living in poverty rhett o rick Oct 2015 #41
I ran into a bunch of those kind of people at a Joan Baez concert at Washington Park in Portland OR Maedhros Oct 2015 #44
Sadly, some of DU's owners and leading HRC fans are getting paid dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #39
I wonder Locrian Oct 2015 #47
That describes most Clinton support here. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #70
But, but, but...she's a progressive. She said so! antigop Oct 2015 #48
Bernie IS a once in a generation opportunity. cpompilo Oct 2015 #35
Exactly and "coward" is an apt term. Great post. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #37
LOVE that poster idea. zentrum Oct 2015 #42
YES! K&R! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #49
K&R waldo.c Oct 2015 #50
K&R CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #51
+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #52
Love it....apart from the Boomer Bashing Armstead Oct 2015 #55
I Didn't Like It NonMetro Oct 2015 #58
In his defense, since he's a very close friend of mine..... beerandjesus Oct 2015 #59
I just turned 65. I totally "got" the OP, and it's sooo SPOT ON. 2banon Oct 2015 #74
K & R bench scientist Oct 2015 #56
Your Friend Did Exactly What Other Self Absorbed People Do: NonMetro Oct 2015 #57
I actually just addressed this in a different post addressed to someone else... beerandjesus Oct 2015 #60
OK, Let's See If We Understand This Correctly: NonMetro Oct 2015 #89
Actually, yeah, pretty much. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #90
Nor do I want to fight with you NonMetro Oct 2015 #91
Bernie!! AzDar Oct 2015 #61
K&R Paka Oct 2015 #63
If not now, when? If not Bernie, who? wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #64
Awesome post. Thanks! nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #66
K&R emsimon33 Oct 2015 #67
Happy to be the 200th rec. mnhtnbb Oct 2015 #69
Sounds like what most people say after they get to know Bernie. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #71
I'm sure glad that most Democrats Progressive dog Oct 2015 #72
C'mon, I thought that analogy about accepting Jesus on your death bed was hilarious! beerandjesus Oct 2015 #78
This guy is pretty astute. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #76
He's a sharp guy, and we've been close friends for the better part of 20 years. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #80
You buried the lede: "ANY DEMOCRAT WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS IS A COWARD" leftupnorth Oct 2015 #77
Wow look at all of you who recced this post calling all of us who don't support hrmjustin Oct 2015 #79
I think you may have missed the point. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #81
No i can see right through this. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #82
Then you probably didn't read the OP. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #83
Why did you capitalize the coward remark? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #84
I didn't. I copied and pasted it as I received it. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #85
Whatever. I am sick of seeing crap like this. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #86
Wow, justin, just wow. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #92
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