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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
59. Sanders is following the same Iowa trajectory as Obama...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

No one said that Sanders was Obama. But if you look at 2008, and what happened--we're seeing the exact same dynamics play out.

--Sanders and Obama were both polling at 4 percent in the spring that preceded the Iowa caucuses.

--Both Sanders and Obama are polling 8-14 points behind Hillary during the October before the Iowa caucuses (depending which poll you look at).

--Hillary Clinton was leading in ALL national polls, and ALL state polls against Obama--during this time in the 08 Dem primary process.

The dynamics of Iowa are 2008 vs 2016 are nearly identical. Support for Hillary is soft in Iowa. Voters are looking for any reason to vote for someone else, because she just simply doesn't play well here. The results of the 08 caucuses (Clinton 3rd place) validate this. Sander's 35 percent support in Iowa--when his campaign is barely off the ground around here, is also proof of strong and growing support here that could blossom into a win.

That is why she came in third in Iowa. When there are viable alternatives--especially attractive candidates on the left--there's trouble for her in Iowa.

Anything could happen in Iowa. It did it 08, why not 2015?


These factors are also important:

Bernie has the advantage, even though Clinton is ahead in the Iowa polls because Hillary has peaked and Sanders hasn't. He is still introducing himself to people.

Sanders was attracting very large Iowa crowds and he has since backed off. I imagine he's waiting to go full throttle with campaign events later in the campaign. The trick to winning the Iowa caucuses is peaking at the perfect time. When he fills indoor venues (in December/Jan) with 10,000+ people--something Hillary will be unable to do, the optics will harm her and really punch a hole in her "inevitability."

This is exactly what happened with Obama, in 2008. I saw all of this up close and personal, in 2008. I'm seeing the same situation repeat again.

Ground games are also important as well. I would say Sanders has the advantage people ground games are always fueled by young people. Obama's ground game in 2008 was unprecedented. Hillary's was incredibly weak. I had Obama supporters at my door weekly. I saw one Hillary supporter the entire caucus season. Younger supporters translates into more bodies willing and able to brave Iowa winters and canvas door-to-door.

You also have to remember that when Iowa caucus goers show up to caucus, if a candidate does not have a threshold percentage of support--those supporters have to join another candidate camp or sit it out. This happened with Richardson in 08. This could happen in a large percentage of Iowa's 1,600+ precincts. If he continues to poll around 5-6 percent, most precincts will see O'Malley joining another candidate camp. The bulk of those O'Malley supporters will go to Sanders. O'Malley supporters are again, looking for an alternative to Clinton, and most likely someone to the left of her. This could give Sanders another bump (2-3 percent, possibly).

This gives Sanders a real advantage in the numbers that won't show up until caucus evening. We'll just have to wait and see what happens to O'Malley's numbers.

There are no absolutes. I don't have a crystal ball. Nor am I suggesting that Sanders is Obama.

However, it is undeniable that the polls, the psychology of the Iowa electorate, Iowa Clinton fatigue (and this is her second time campaigning in Iowa, so it's worse this year) the upcoming optics of the Sanders campaign the remaining time he has to convince voters---could easily swing this race to Sanders.

Iowa is certainly not the most important state. However, it is the first to vote and if Sanders wins (and I definitely think he will, based on what I've witnessed and experienced during 4 caucus cycles) Clinton's inevitability goes out the window (just like it did in 08) and we've got a tight primary Democratic battle on our hands--just like in 08.

And we all know how that ended.


Election's not held today though. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #1
Obama started out exactly the same way... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #2
And what. pangaia Nov 2015 #3
Sanders is not a Barack Obama Gothmog Nov 2015 #52
Sanders is following the same Iowa trajectory as Obama... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #59
Obama had one speech voted present a lot and still beat Hillary Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #64
I guess those big rallies haven't introduced him to voters. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #4
Other people introduce new people to him. Hence, the poll numbers.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #5
Blowout comes to mind. DCBob Nov 2015 #6
Yep. I do not see this changing. bravenak Nov 2015 #7
The undecideds will find their candidates in NurseJackie Nov 2015 #8
Yep. I think most of them will go to Hillary. I see this over by March. bravenak Nov 2015 #9
Wait, wasn't it supposed to be over by the end of summer? eom zalinda Nov 2015 #12
I said March bravenak Nov 2015 #13
But his surge was supposed to die out zalinda Nov 2015 #42
It is dead. bravenak Nov 2015 #44
Then why do you keep trying to beat a dead horse? eom zalinda Nov 2015 #48
The dead horse is the campaign? bravenak Nov 2015 #66
If you think the campaign is so dead zalinda Nov 2015 #71
Because I do not like his campaign style or management style, thx bravenak Nov 2015 #74
It died out. Adrahil Nov 2015 #88
It was never going to be entirely over until at least some voting has occurred mythology Nov 2015 #27
It should be over by Super Tuesday Gothmog Nov 2015 #53
Yep. Paartaay! bravenak Nov 2015 #67
What? I thought he's winning all 50 states right now..... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #10
I guess they forgot to tell him he was WINNING! bravenak Nov 2015 #11
And his black support has TRIPLE DOUBLED now according to those same laughable, 100% wrong sources Number23 Nov 2015 #46
If he was the nominee he would win the general today, because he leads all Repulbicans AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #14
Well, I'm glad he won't be the nominee anyway. bravenak Nov 2015 #15
So you would rather have a Republican win? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #18
I want Sanders to lose to Hillary. bravenak Nov 2015 #19
She will lose the general AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #21
She will win. I am VERY PLEASED that he will lose the primary, though. bravenak Nov 2015 #23
Funny if Bernie is not in the lead we wait until upaloopa Nov 2015 #80
Cite please. Adrahil Nov 2015 #90
And the Red Sox would have lost the '04 ALCS if the series were only 3 games tk2kewl Nov 2015 #16
As long as he loses the primary to Hillary she will win the general. bravenak Nov 2015 #24
Always a realist, now and for the future. MineralMan Nov 2015 #17
He will be a fighter when he goes back to the Senate. bravenak Nov 2015 #20
Again, as always. MineralMan Nov 2015 #22
He's neither stupid nor delusional. okasha Nov 2015 #25
Like a wild game of telephone. bravenak Nov 2015 #26
I too have issues with some of his supporters. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #28
Sanders knows the polls are accurate. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #29
I know. He is plenty sane. He knows which way the wind is blowing. bravenak Nov 2015 #30
He tells the truth, unlike more craven politicians. Ron Green Nov 2015 #31
And he will be a fighter when he goes back to the Senate!!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #34
Ya think, bernie?! And, if he keeps saying dumb stuff like.. Cha Nov 2015 #32
Sometimes I clap after I read your posts. bravenak Nov 2015 #33
Rofl! thank you, brave.. Cha Nov 2015 #35
I did not know that. I may have put the op and others on ignore. bravenak Nov 2015 #36
Yes, I was at your "funeral" incognito.. Cha Nov 2015 #37
And all those Insults!!! Insulting me makes me look so bad. bravenak Nov 2015 #38
Yeah, don't be so "mean", bravenak.. think of Cha Nov 2015 #39
All these two wrongs don't make a right admonishments are funny too. bravenak Nov 2015 #40
the new Sid Dithers.. they're clueless that it's a high compliment. Sid is seriously on to them. Cha Nov 2015 #41
Awww, you think they meant to insult me? bravenak Nov 2015 #47
The "it is my turn" line is dumb-this concept has never applied to Democratic primary process Gothmog Nov 2015 #54
Glad you agree.. somebody is advising him badly or it was his own diumb thing to say. Cha Nov 2015 #70
Democrats are not Republicans and we have a very different process Gothmog Nov 2015 #97
So those millions of hidden voters don't exist? brooklynite Nov 2015 #43
LOL bravenak Nov 2015 #45
And if worms had machine-guns, John Poet Nov 2015 #49
He does not appeal to most voters. Thanks. bravenak Nov 2015 #84
He is starting to prepare his followers for the inevitable. Alfresco Nov 2015 #50
Really sad Kentonio Nov 2015 #51
I agree bravenak Nov 2015 #85
I expect him to tamper expectations more and more... Alfresco Nov 2015 #86
You know, this just shows what a good guy he is, imo. bravenak Nov 2015 #91
But will he join the Dem. party? Alfresco Nov 2015 #95
He did change his affiliation to dem this month. bravenak Nov 2015 #96
So what's your fucking point? 99Forever Nov 2015 #55
My point is that Bernie sees the writing on the wall, thx. bravenak Nov 2015 #68
You have no fucking clue what Bernie sees. 99Forever Nov 2015 #72
I see that he allows that he would lose the campaign bravenak Nov 2015 #73
Is there a primary or caucaus being held today? 99Forever Nov 2015 #77
Did I say that? bravenak Nov 2015 #79
Objectively speaking, currently he deserves to lose GitRDun Nov 2015 #56
There is vitriol coming from both directions, and it would be hypocritical to ignore it. Kentonio Nov 2015 #57
You miss most of the points GitRDun Nov 2015 #58
It is a panacea for a huge amount of problems in America. Kentonio Nov 2015 #61
Think what you like GitRDun Nov 2015 #62
Thank you, I usually do and I'll continue doing so. Kentonio Nov 2015 #63
Well...at least you are not the only one laughing. GitRDun Nov 2015 #65
Wow. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #60
+1 bravenak Nov 2015 #69
It's not being held today, so no worries. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #75
Soon. Over by march. Then, PARTAY! bravenak Nov 2015 #76
Hope she's planning for AFTER Super Tuesday. She blew that due to arrogance last time. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #78
Yep. This time she snagged as many endorsements and delegates that she could. bravenak Nov 2015 #81
Hope this time she's not so cranky when they switch to Bernie. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #82
They won't. bravenak Nov 2015 #83
I'v already reported on Robby Mook's campaign strategy brooklynite Nov 2015 #89
So he's in touch with reality? LoveIsNow Nov 2015 #87
Offended? Hell no! Proud of what a damn good guy he is! bravenak Nov 2015 #92
Maybe he's starting to feel his Bern due to low polling numbers and flat trend lines. FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #93
It happens. bravenak Nov 2015 #94
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