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Divernan

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32. "There Was Never Any Room For Hillary In Obama's Inner Circle"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:37 PM - Edit history (2)

I think she had very little interaction" with the president, says veteran State Department employee. "A lot of this was, you know, she would go to meetings of the NSC (national security council) when she was in town and called, but it was a very distant relationship."

The NSC sidelined Clinton at every turn—as it did other cabinet secretaries from Gates to his successors at the Pentagon, Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel. "They would send (the defense secretary) to someplace like Botswana while they crafted North Korea policy at the White House," one former Defense Department official says.

"Obama brought her into the administration, put her in a bubble, and ignored her," says a former high-ranking diplomat. "It turned out to be a brilliant political maneuver by Obama, making it impossible for her to challenge him, unless she left the administration, and not giving her an excuse that she could resign in protest. So she was stuck."

Once she realized she would never really be a major player in Obamaland, Hillary Clinton did what she always did: adjusted her course. "She kept her head down on large issues," says a former Obama administration official. "She did a nice job of tamping down any tension between her and the White House." And she focused on her own future. With Clinton taking to the skies and traveling the world, her post at the State Department became a platform for the United States and Hillary Clinton.

http://www.businessinsider.com/no-room-for-hillary-in-obamas-inner-circle-2014-12

In this excerpt from Clinton, Inc: The Audacious Rebuilding Of A Political Machine, Daniel Halper, a political writer and online editor at The Weekly Standard, compiles candid interviews with former Clinton administration aides, friends, and enemies to reveal the hardened relationship between Hillary Clinton and President Obama.
But she has the 'experience' to be president. pangaia Jan 2016 #1
The person with perhaps the most experience is George W. Bush highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #41
That was my point. pangaia Jan 2016 #44
Not disagreeing, only agreeing. It's a good point. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #77
I agree 99.99% with what you said. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #71
Creative excess. A romantic extreme, not a logical matter, like so much else in how we choose. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #78
I know. I'm sorry I said that, but it gave me an opening for my rant! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #82
Openings, connections, great new day meeting folks of like mind. Go, Bernie Go! highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #84
You got that right! Bernie over the HRH! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #87
EXCELLENT POST! I have Been Saying Incompetence, Poor Judgement, Poor Demonstrated Performance CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #93
I actually don't think she has any natural foreign policy acumen or TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #2
That's an interesting take. cali Jan 2016 #8
She grew up under a domineering, abusive & opinionated father Divernan Jan 2016 #94
But she dodged all these sniper bullets! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #110
This is exactly my main reason for being vehementally opposed to her! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #3
+1 tecelote Jan 2016 #22
$uper $ucce$$ful for the military indu$trial complex! Divernan Jan 2016 #24
Yes. Put aside the thousands and thousands killed... tecelote Jan 2016 #28
You $hould check $ander$ $upport of the military indu$trial complex over the year$. George II Jan 2016 #29
Imitation i$ the $incere$t form of flattery. Divernan Jan 2016 #55
And Bernie has essentially zero foreign policy experience. DCBob Jan 2016 #4
Try these. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #6
can't watch those.. on a cell. .. please summerize. DCBob Jan 2016 #7
It's Bernie talking about potential long term repercussions of the 1st and 2nd Iraq War HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #9
In other words, he was right and she was wrong. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #115
Yep, but more importantly HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #120
He saw through the lies that led us to kill thousands. nt artislife Jan 2016 #15
Showing excellent judgment, even prescience. senz Jan 2016 #67
Two pilots: one who has yet to solo, and one who has made smoking holes in the ground, killing many. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #14
Perfect analogy! Divernan Jan 2016 #25
Awesome! TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #40
Interesting analogy but I don't agree its completely valid in this case. DCBob Jan 2016 #63
LOL! Libya, and Syria are some of the largest smokin' holes known to humankind! cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #70
Blaming Hillary for the problems in Syria and Libya is absurd. DCBob Jan 2016 #72
"We came, we saw, he died." (Hillaryous laughter follows) cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #74
I believe taking out a ruthless brutal dictator is something to cheer and be proud of. DCBob Jan 2016 #83
"The mess that followed ..." is the PERFECT example of a fucked up and skewed view of Foreign Policy cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #90
John Kerry and the UN have not given up on the "failed state" of Libya. DCBob Jan 2016 #92
Failed state says it all. cali Jan 2016 #96
But we remain on friendly terms with the despots running KSA. Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #124
Did she laugh when it was reported "we" killed Gaddafi's g'children too? bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #113
It's absurd to blame the sitting Secretary of State for the positions she took` Fawke Em Jan 2016 #116
HRC's philosophy re intl. relations: Smokin' holes and hot messes! Divernan Jan 2016 #100
Every new Pilot / President has yet to earn their wings. sorechasm Jan 2016 #76
A related question: which one would you like flying over you? thereismore Jan 2016 #118
Last weekend he was asked a foreign policy question on CNN and he started talking about.... George II Jan 2016 #31
I didn't realize climate change was primarily a domestic issue. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #34
LOL! Nice! n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #47
The question had to do with the situation in the middle east, his answer was way off track. George II Jan 2016 #56
Are you talking about this quote? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #62
facts do not work on some people SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #68
And you don't agree that Climate Change is a huge, huge foreign policy Akamai Jan 2016 #52
Clearly Bernie is uncomfortable talking about foreign policy. DCBob Jan 2016 #60
Clearly, he is not. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #119
The Pentagon recognizes the impact climate change will have on foreign policy, are studying Ikonoklast Jan 2016 #125
McCain for President! earthside Jan 2016 #79
As has been said many many times.. Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama. DCBob Jan 2016 #81
True enough. earthside Jan 2016 #88
He voted against the Irq war, and that's good enough for me. n/t eridani Jan 2016 #95
Agreed HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #5
Can anyone imagine a no fly zone in Syria, what happens if the Russians violate it Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #10
WWIII would be great for military industrial business! Divernan Jan 2016 #27
Way deeper than Bernie's. ucrdem Jan 2016 #11
The evidence is that his judgment is far better than hers cali Jan 2016 #16
Sanders, Nov. 14: "leading the world this country will rid our planet of ... ISIS." ucrdem Jan 2016 #20
Silly rabbit, you act like the president is a cage fighter demwing Jan 2016 #50
His ISIS statement suggests that he would surround himself with neocons. ucrdem Jan 2016 #54
Let's pretend for a moment that your post is honest and accurate demwing Jan 2016 #65
Foreign policy is the US president's main job per the Constitution. ucrdem Jan 2016 #73
"His statements on ISIS are frankly scary" demwing Jan 2016 #86
LMAO!!! SHE is the neocon lover, not Bernie. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #121
By voting against the Brady Bill Five times ?! No, Sanders puts down his stone in that category too uponit7771 Jan 2016 #85
If voting for the war in Iraq without bothering to read the N.I.E. is "experience" raindaddy Jan 2016 #43
Voting to fund it the same day is hypocritical. ucrdem Jan 2016 #51
There's a big difference between voting for the attack of another country without bothering to read raindaddy Jan 2016 #66
There isno conflict in those two votes. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #102
She's been making bad decisions for years. I really do question her judgement. reformist2 Jan 2016 #12
agree. 100% (well > 100%, but you know!! LOL!!) eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #108
She voted with all of the Republicans against 30 Democrats Ichingcarpenter Jan 2016 #13
she really DOES "think that way," she's not being snowjobbed or horsetrading MisterP Jan 2016 #17
Quo so: more of the same failed policies are NOT needed. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #18
She's the leading Neocon-D - she'll have us in another war within 18 mos. leveymg Jan 2016 #19
She put the Dulles into Honduras. Octafish Jan 2016 #21
Here is Sanders' foreign policy experience: George II Jan 2016 #23
Yeah. I just imagined all his votes on foreign policy going back 30 years cali Jan 2016 #26
Did you oppose John Kerry for similar reasons in 2004? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #30
That is actually Old Codger Jan 2016 #35
I did cali Jan 2016 #36
There is a huge difference -- the similarity is one bad vote karynnj Jan 2016 #38
Kerry is also considering a no-fly zone in Syria Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #45
Nothing in the link says that Kerry favors a no fly zone,not to mention the article is from October karynnj Jan 2016 #75
Yes--until he got the nomination. eridani Jan 2016 #98
Yes. That also goes for Biden in a Dem primary and anyone else who voted for the IWR. Martin Eden Jan 2016 #106
"There Was Never Any Room For Hillary In Obama's Inner Circle" Divernan Jan 2016 #32
Wow. You should post that as an op cali Jan 2016 #37
THAT is a big deal. pangaia Jan 2016 #53
Me three. Ino Jan 2016 #89
When one only has a hammer, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #33
Those who say Hillary is the greatest SOS of all time would disagree. malthaussen Jan 2016 #39
she is not even Obama's most significant SoS karynnj Jan 2016 #91
One of many reasons not to vote for her. Broward Jan 2016 #42
She's got the perfect resume demwing Jan 2016 #46
She will do more harm to this woman's health dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #48
K&R! "There are none so blind...." Duval Jan 2016 #49
Yep. If you're looking for more endless war, Hillary's your candidate. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #58
Hillary is not at all competent when it comes to diplomacy. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #59
And as SOS she was discussing the TPP with other heads of state and didn't know enough about it... cascadiance Jan 2016 #61
Triple Bazinga award to you for this post! Excellent! Divernan Jan 2016 #99
When I saw the title of the thread I almost laughed out a lung or two! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #64
We can trust Bernie to choose the right course of action here and abroad. senz Jan 2016 #69
Kissenger had deep  foreign policy experience AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #80
But Hillary's been to Timor-Leste!!!! Divernan Jan 2016 #97
Being consistently wrong is not the experience I'm looking for. Scuba Jan 2016 #101
From just what I read here, Hillary is getting very close to being a War Criminal andrewv1 Jan 2016 #103
No. And nothing in my op suggests that. cali Jan 2016 #109
Nobody said you did, but I am reading other stuff here.... andrewv1 Jan 2016 #112
She's a foreign policy nightmare. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #104
Agree with OP Martin Eden Jan 2016 #105
Kinda like John Dillinger bragging about his deep experience in banking. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #107
LOL! Excellent! eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #111
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #123
Thankfully, this is being noticed in the heartland. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #114
Hillary would continue the same belligerent foreign policy that has persisted Maedhros Jan 2016 #117
Republicans will also claim she used the office to make money. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #122
Yay for Foreign Policy or not :( Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #126
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