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Celerity

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20. TPP was a bad deal, and not just because of the horrid ISDS and patent provisions
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:46 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I refuse to be gaslit on this. It also is outrageous to see opposition to TPP equated or insinuated or linked in any way to posit a form (or actual) support for Trump and Sanders. You can absolutely not be for either and still think the TTP was a bad thing. Support for deals like this is partially (the percentage is up for debate but is sure is not only 1%) why we have such discontent here in our nation, discontent that just further adds to the latent and overt sexism, racism, misogyny, and hate that monsters like Trump tapped into. It just gave him another arrow in his quiver of poison for his mob.

The TPP also would have been a fundamental driver for further wealth inequality, here and globally, and wealth inequality is the number one interlocked statistic when it comes to the well-being of a society on basically all levels of measurement.


Why TPP Is a Bad Deal for America and American Workers

BY JOSEPH STIGLITZ

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/why-tpp-bad-deal-america-and-american-workers/


the whole series

Tricks of the Trade Deal: Six Big Problems with the Trans-Pacific Partnership

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/tricks-trade-deal-six-big-problems-trans-pacific-partnership/



How to Tell TPP Is a Bad Deal

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-tell-tpp-is-a-bad_b_8914388



9 Ways the TPP Is Bad for Developing Countries

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/07/9-ways-the-tpp-is-bad-for-developing-countries/



The Trans-Pacific Partnership Is Unlikely to Be a Good Deal for American Workers

https://www.epi.org/publication/tpp-unlikely-to-be-good-deal-for-american-workers/



The TPP has the potential for real harm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-16/verrender-the-tpp-has-the-potential-for-real-harm/6321538


Ending the corporate power grab of Investor-State Dispute Settlement

https://www.citizen.org/topic/globalization-trade/corporate-power-expanded-isds/



How trade deals like TPP fail the global poor

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/6/9680538/tpp-development-trade-poverty



Robert Reich takes on the Trans-Pacific Partnership




How economic inequality harms societies | Richard Wilkinson



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Me too nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #1
Just want DownriverDem Jun 2019 #6
I'm not completely against trade deals. but the bottom line is always the same. Kurt V. Jun 2019 #2
That is a tax issue - not a trade issue. riverine Jun 2019 #3
Yang makes many good points. brer cat Jun 2019 #11
The article points out how WACKY polling on NAFTA is uawchild Jun 2019 #4
NAFTA has been demonized by populist politicians like Trump and Bernie Sanders riverine Jun 2019 #5
Very Stupid DownriverDem Jun 2019 #7
And demonized by the AFL/CIO apparently uawchild Jun 2019 #8
The AFL/CIO has to blame something else riverine Jun 2019 #14
I blame each state in particular, all outbidding each other in order to get these valued jobs... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #28
Opposed to Nationalism, America Firstism, Elizabeth Warren's new take "Economic Patriotism," and Hoyt Jun 2019 #9
Count me among the globalist free traders like comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #10
It is not a lie. True many jobs were lost for other reasons, notably automation. But KPN Jun 2019 #12
I would love to make trade the #1 issue in 2020 if Biden has the political wherewithal to resist the riverine Jun 2019 #13
Warren is not a protectionist. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #15
Equating Trump and Warren? uawchild Jun 2019 #16
Yes, on trade only. If the shoe fits. They both opposed Obama's China pushback - the TPP. riverine Jun 2019 #17
From Ted Genoways' "Bringing in the Beans": betsuni Jun 2019 #18
Include me in your group Gothmog Jun 2019 #19
TPP was a bad deal, and not just because of the horrid ISDS and patent provisions Celerity Jun 2019 #20
If "wealth inequality" is the tell-all for a countries economic well-being you must be proud of riverine Jun 2019 #21
why the hell would I 'be proud' of Cuba and Venezuela? I detest their governments Celerity Jun 2019 #22
I'm with President Obama on this, too.. always Cha Jun 2019 #24
This is one of the few times we disagree. I live in he midwest and these agreements Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #26
Great post. Thank you for taking the time and making the effort KPN Jun 2019 #23
+1 Kurt V. Jun 2019 #27
Biden has not supported trade deals as a senator since the NAFTA years. These Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #25
Ditto. Pro-free trade Democrat here. Loki Liesmith Jun 2019 #29
HUH? and WTF Crazyleftie Jun 2019 #30
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