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StarfishSaver

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46. Interestingly, I was mistaken - Biden's amendment applied ONLY to voluntary busing
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:54 PM - Edit history (2)

Biden himself said it didn't cut off funding for court-ordered busing - probably because he recognized that a school couldn't be required to perform an unfunded mandate. Instead, it eliminated funding for and placed other restrictions on busing programs that were created at the local level voluntarily by local governments - exactly the kinds of program that Harris participated in and that he says he supported.

And Politifact found Biden's claim that ""I did not oppose busing in America. What I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education" to be Mostly False.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/

VOX doesn't say what you claim - nowhere in the piece you linked does it say that Biden"s funding legislation was limited to court-ordered busing. Probably because it wasn't. But it is a very interesting and informative article and I suggest you read the whole thing:


There were a number of ways to address this issue (desegregation of segregated schools), but the one that caught public attention most was “busing” — a process where black students were driven to predominantly white schools in neighboring communities, and white students were driven to predominantly black ones. Many busing orders were mandated in the late 1960s and early 1970s after civil rights groups like the NAACP filed — and later won — school desegregation lawsuits.

Busing was often used as a last resort for cities and districts that clearly showed little interest in desegregation. It was used to immediately integrate schools in the hopes of not only ending state-sanctioned segregation of blacks and whites, but to also give black and white students equal access to resources and opportunities. Many of these opportunities had been isolated to white schools in white communities. Predominantly black and Latino schools, meanwhile, struggled with overcrowding, outdated materials, and dilapidated buildings.

But busing — one of many tools used to secure black students’ constitutional right to equal education — was often strongly opposed by white parents, many of whom did not want their children in integrated schools. Some parents and lawmakers stated that outright, others used different anti-busing arguments: saying that long bus rides to different schools were burdensome, and that their children were being placed in lower-quality schools (ignoring that schools in predominantly black neighborhoods had fewer resources and that per capita spending on black students was smaller).

Parents also claimed that “forced busing” wouldn’t work to bring about racial equality and would merely function as quotas. (To be fair, there were black people who also criticized busing, but their opposition was complex, and contrary to white Americans, their critiques of busing and the political attention it received were not rooted in a desire to maintain segregation, but rather a hope to see deeper investment in black schools and communities.)



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #1
Who called Biden a racist? Goodheart Jun 2019 #2
no one Skittles Jun 2019 #3
All Kamala asked him to do was to admit that he was wrong to oppose busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #4
But not all busing ucrdem Jun 2019 #5
Yes, he was effectively opposed to all busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #7
Desegregation was mandatory. ucrdem Jun 2019 #11
Biden's legislation did affect Berkeley StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #27
All of this pertains to federal funding. ucrdem Jun 2019 #30
Like most school systems, Berkeley received HEW funding that helped to pay its school transportation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #35
Per VOX it didn't. ucrdem Jun 2019 #39
Interestingly, I was mistaken - Biden's amendment applied ONLY to voluntary busing StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #46
Read on: ucrdem Jun 2019 #47
Yes. Fortunately, House Democrats thwarted Biden's attempt to refund the kinds of programs Harris StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #49
So was my AA family. All of them. And we still are. cbelle1039 Jun 2019 #22
Thank you. ucrdem Jun 2019 #40
She did more than that. She misrepresented herself as "that little girl" who had benefitted emmaverybo Jun 2019 #33
Tom Nichols, a prominent NeverTrumper who gets quoted a lot on DU and who plans to vote highplainsdem Jun 2019 #24
more bullshit Skittles Jun 2019 #31
Wow. That is it exactly. What Nichols said. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34
What is this all about - are some people actually campaining to bring back forced busing? 4now Jun 2019 #6
Kamela Harris's debate gotcha. ucrdem Jun 2019 #8
E gods! Cha Jun 2019 #10
If Biden bounces back, and he probably will, ucrdem Jun 2019 #15
that is pure spin, and not true Celerity Jun 2019 #25
So after pasting this thing in several threads ucrdem Jun 2019 #26
bussing Celerity Jun 2019 #28
Welll in that case, welcome! ucrdem Jun 2019 #32
not in the UK at the moment, but I am in the EU now, for the summer, plus we do live now in Celerity Jun 2019 #37
Okay thanks! ucrdem Jun 2019 #41
yw! Celerity Jun 2019 #42
To me that True Blue American Jul 2019 #57
Kamala said she didn't believe Biden is Cha Jun 2019 #9
Lol. Nice try. Bernie didn't team up with notorious racist segregationists. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #12
I pointed out a fact.. too bad you don't like it. Cha Jun 2019 #16
He's thinking, please don't let her get meatsauce on my new suit ucrdem Jun 2019 #14
Oh NOOOOes! BS was standing right Cha Jun 2019 #18
Wow, a new standard for whataboutism. BlueWI Jun 2019 #13
It's an important data point. ucrdem Jun 2019 #17
If Bernie Sanders says how proud he was to work with James Eastland BlueWI Jun 2019 #19
Spin. He said he liked the civility people of opposing views used with each emmaverybo Jun 2019 #36
Splitting hairs IMO BlueWI Jun 2019 #50
I don't think it was advisable to bring up two segregationists to make his point. NT . emmaverybo Jun 2019 #52
Agreed. BlueWI Jun 2019 #53
Except Biden NEVER SAID HE WAS PROUD. Edit your post. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #45
Accuracy matters, I agree. BlueWI Jun 2019 #51
Yes, it is.. I can't understand why Cha Jun 2019 #21
It's good to know.. I had no idea. Cha Jun 2019 #20
Why is everyone so down on bussing? I was bussed--to an integrated school that I loved McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #23
It ended a generation or so ago customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #29
It also caused black fight of those who could afford it True Blue American Jul 2019 #61
Yes customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #62
Not a cause, merely an excuse. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #63
I believe it was a cause customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #64
The incidents you're referring to in the early-to mid-60s pre-dated court-ordered busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #66
Yes, they are customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #67
Have you read the Kerner Report? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #68
Not lately, although I recall hearing about their conclusions customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #69
The Executive Summary is a good read StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #70
Thank you customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #71
Glad to do it! StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #72
Wasn't busing customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #73
It was a tool StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #74
Hmm, I only had my own experience customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #75
Federally forced busing was not an unmitigated success. Biden was not opposed to integrated emmaverybo Jun 2019 #38
State and local authorities- yeah which is Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #48
Sure. I don't believe racism motivated Biden's wanting the ban. I am not arguing his position, emmaverybo Jun 2019 #54
Biden was part of the party turning away Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #55
You have a good argument, not the mainstay, though of the one Harris used. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #56
Because it still terrifies white people Recursion Jun 2019 #43
Point of a bayonet? True Blue American Jul 2019 #58
It was Eisenhower. Never heard of Little Rock? (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #59
I heard of it True Blue American Jul 2019 #60
Well no he's not a racist.......BUT................................ nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #44
. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #65
I thought BS wrote essays in the 1970's Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #76
This definitely needs a kick Cha Jul 2019 #77
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