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customerserviceguy

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64. I believe it was a cause
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jul 2019

I don't know how old you are, but if you're under the age of fifty-five, then you have no living memory of the urban riots of the 1965-68 time frame, where even after passage of the Civil Rights Acts, the inner cities would blow up into fiery infernos every summer, and the problems spread to more and more cities.

During the busing period, these "race wars" as they were sometimes called, were displayed on TV as often as was the carnage from Vietnam. When white people were told that their kids would be transported to inner city neighborhoods for school every day, they were alarmed. Even if they had raised their kids as best as possible to minimize racism, they knew that would not protect their children from physical violence. So, they moved out of the school district, and just commuted to the jobs in the city, where the adults felt that they would be better able to deal with any violence that occurred.

I know that the Sixties are often depicted as times when people were into peace, love, rock-and-roll, and pot, but they were incredibly intense times for the people who lived in them. In 1968, even with George Wallace being on the ballot in all fifty states, bleeding off the votes of the most racist whites, and even snagging the electoral votes of several Southern states, Nixon managed to win the election with his dog whistle slogans of "Law and Order" and "This time, vote like your whole world depended on it" to lure the votes of frightened white people.

With middle class working people deserting the cities in droves, they deteriorated. Then, they were targeted by the Giuliani types who were into crackdown mode, and the drug laws that put away thousands of people for minor amounts of substances that had been sold legally earlier in the century.

Calling white flight an excuse ignores the history that white people of various European ethnicites and people of color had living with each other in urban areas, even if sometimes it was less than ideal. My adoptive grandfather came from Poland, and he had about as much tolerance for a racial joke as he did for a "Polack" joke. He was a union representative in the steel mills of Northwestern Indiana, and always fought hard to make sure African-Americans were treated fairly by the mills and by the union.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #1
Who called Biden a racist? Goodheart Jun 2019 #2
no one Skittles Jun 2019 #3
All Kamala asked him to do was to admit that he was wrong to oppose busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #4
But not all busing ucrdem Jun 2019 #5
Yes, he was effectively opposed to all busing. Goodheart Jun 2019 #7
Desegregation was mandatory. ucrdem Jun 2019 #11
Biden's legislation did affect Berkeley StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #27
All of this pertains to federal funding. ucrdem Jun 2019 #30
Like most school systems, Berkeley received HEW funding that helped to pay its school transportation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #35
Per VOX it didn't. ucrdem Jun 2019 #39
Interestingly, I was mistaken - Biden's amendment applied ONLY to voluntary busing StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #46
Read on: ucrdem Jun 2019 #47
Yes. Fortunately, House Democrats thwarted Biden's attempt to refund the kinds of programs Harris StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #49
So was my AA family. All of them. And we still are. cbelle1039 Jun 2019 #22
Thank you. ucrdem Jun 2019 #40
She did more than that. She misrepresented herself as "that little girl" who had benefitted emmaverybo Jun 2019 #33
Tom Nichols, a prominent NeverTrumper who gets quoted a lot on DU and who plans to vote highplainsdem Jun 2019 #24
more bullshit Skittles Jun 2019 #31
Wow. That is it exactly. What Nichols said. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34
What is this all about - are some people actually campaining to bring back forced busing? 4now Jun 2019 #6
Kamela Harris's debate gotcha. ucrdem Jun 2019 #8
E gods! Cha Jun 2019 #10
If Biden bounces back, and he probably will, ucrdem Jun 2019 #15
that is pure spin, and not true Celerity Jun 2019 #25
So after pasting this thing in several threads ucrdem Jun 2019 #26
bussing Celerity Jun 2019 #28
Welll in that case, welcome! ucrdem Jun 2019 #32
not in the UK at the moment, but I am in the EU now, for the summer, plus we do live now in Celerity Jun 2019 #37
Okay thanks! ucrdem Jun 2019 #41
yw! Celerity Jun 2019 #42
To me that True Blue American Jul 2019 #57
Kamala said she didn't believe Biden is Cha Jun 2019 #9
Lol. Nice try. Bernie didn't team up with notorious racist segregationists. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #12
I pointed out a fact.. too bad you don't like it. Cha Jun 2019 #16
He's thinking, please don't let her get meatsauce on my new suit ucrdem Jun 2019 #14
Oh NOOOOes! BS was standing right Cha Jun 2019 #18
Wow, a new standard for whataboutism. BlueWI Jun 2019 #13
It's an important data point. ucrdem Jun 2019 #17
If Bernie Sanders says how proud he was to work with James Eastland BlueWI Jun 2019 #19
Spin. He said he liked the civility people of opposing views used with each emmaverybo Jun 2019 #36
Splitting hairs IMO BlueWI Jun 2019 #50
I don't think it was advisable to bring up two segregationists to make his point. NT . emmaverybo Jun 2019 #52
Agreed. BlueWI Jun 2019 #53
Except Biden NEVER SAID HE WAS PROUD. Edit your post. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #45
Accuracy matters, I agree. BlueWI Jun 2019 #51
Yes, it is.. I can't understand why Cha Jun 2019 #21
It's good to know.. I had no idea. Cha Jun 2019 #20
Why is everyone so down on bussing? I was bussed--to an integrated school that I loved McCamy Taylor Jun 2019 #23
It ended a generation or so ago customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #29
It also caused black fight of those who could afford it True Blue American Jul 2019 #61
Yes customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #62
Not a cause, merely an excuse. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #63
I believe it was a cause customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #64
The incidents you're referring to in the early-to mid-60s pre-dated court-ordered busing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #66
Yes, they are customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #67
Have you read the Kerner Report? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #68
Not lately, although I recall hearing about their conclusions customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #69
The Executive Summary is a good read StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #70
Thank you customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #71
Glad to do it! StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #72
Wasn't busing customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #73
It was a tool StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #74
Hmm, I only had my own experience customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #75
Federally forced busing was not an unmitigated success. Biden was not opposed to integrated emmaverybo Jun 2019 #38
State and local authorities- yeah which is Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #48
Sure. I don't believe racism motivated Biden's wanting the ban. I am not arguing his position, emmaverybo Jun 2019 #54
Biden was part of the party turning away Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #55
You have a good argument, not the mainstay, though of the one Harris used. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #56
Because it still terrifies white people Recursion Jun 2019 #43
Point of a bayonet? True Blue American Jul 2019 #58
It was Eisenhower. Never heard of Little Rock? (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #59
I heard of it True Blue American Jul 2019 #60
Well no he's not a racist.......BUT................................ nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #44
. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #65
I thought BS wrote essays in the 1970's Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #76
This definitely needs a kick Cha Jul 2019 #77
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