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ehrnst

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43. Actually, no. Exit polling indicated that HRC supporters went 84% to Obama, 15% to McCain.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:30 AM
Aug 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

In general, 7–10% of self-identified Democrats will vote for the Republican candidate and vice-versa — that’s the usual level of crossover voting in a modern presidential election.

The 12% Bernie-to-Trump figure (and 24% Clinton-to-McCain figure)[see note below] comes from Brian Schaffner of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst who based it on extrapolations from the data in the Cooperative Congressional Election Study. Shaffner limited his examination only to those voters whose participation in both the primary and general could be validated. Theoretically, the idea is to weed out people who said they voted in one or other but didn’t. In practice, it cripples the headline conclusions at the end of it. Problem #1: That approach entirely excludes caucus states. Guess who did disproportionately well there? Problem #2: It entirely excludes voters in states where validation info wasn’t readily available. Short version: A large chunk of the U.S. is entirely unrepresented in his figures.


https://medium.com/jriddle/the-12-bernie-to-trump-figure-and-24-clinton-to-mccain-figure-comes-from-brian-schaffner-of-the-9905971c9f45
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
THIS plus a million The Blue Flower Jul 2019 #1
About 5 from last night won't qualify for the next debate, thesquanderer Jul 2019 #2
Yes, some campaigns will soon be suspended. Qualifying for the 3rd debate is tougher. brush Jul 2019 #9
I think "C-listers" is being rather... 3catwoman3 Jul 2019 #3
The reason there are so many candidates is an effort to hide Bernie in a crowd Dorn Jul 2019 #4
"an effort to hide Bernie in a crowd" crazytown Jul 2019 #5
That's funny. Can't hide that man. efhmc Jul 2019 #10
He makes very, very sure of that. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #21
Bernie may or may not win the primary, but I give him credit for repeatedly DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #18
If debate teams were running for public office, a wise coach would teach them about style. ehrnst Jul 2019 #24
My point is that I LOVE Bernie's passion. That's his style! DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #41
So now you're saying to comment on Sanders' style is OK, as long as it's ehrnst Aug 2019 #45
I agree. I don't think we older people understand and see the anger at the current Autumn Jul 2019 #39
Huh? Just the young? There are MILLIONS of older people who are fucked right now. DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #42
So the Democrats are trying to hide a non-Democrat jayschool2013 Jul 2019 #7
Ugh, not that again.... paleotn Jul 2019 #16
No need to apologize jayschool2013 Jul 2019 #17
25% of Clinton 2008 primary voters went for McCain in the general Spider Jerusalem Jul 2019 #25
Thank you jayschool2013 Jul 2019 #31
Possibly 20%; still fewer than Clinton supporters voted for McCain Spider Jerusalem Jul 2019 #32
The lede says 12 percent jayschool2013 Jul 2019 #35
which again is fewer than the 25% of Clinton voters who went for McCain Spider Jerusalem Jul 2019 #36
Thanks jayschool2013 Jul 2019 #37
Actually, no. Exit polling indicated that HRC supporters went 84% to Obama, 15% to McCain. ehrnst Aug 2019 #43
Ha! I live in Vermont... paleotn Jul 2019 #12
Bernie is well to the left of most of these candidates and has more name recognition IronLionZion Jul 2019 #14
But will he drop out if someone else passes the threshold of 2,026 pledged delegates? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #20
Probably not, but still concede at the convention and support the nominee IronLionZion Jul 2019 #22
It's not a good look for him. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #23
Oh for Pete's sake... calimary Jul 2019 #15
No, for Joe's sake. CentralMass Jul 2019 #27
leave Buttigieg out of this Skittles Jul 2019 #33
"the party encouraged it to hide Bernie Sanders" ehrnst Jul 2019 #19
+1 CentralMass Jul 2019 #26
it didn't work. 👍 Kurt V. Jul 2019 #28
No, Dorn. Nor did Sanders run to HIDE in a crowd. Hortensis Jul 2019 #34
lol...and you actually believe that? tritsofme Jul 2019 #40
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH JI7 Aug 2019 #44
I'd take any one of those "C" listers over what we have now. infullview Jul 2019 #6
That's been the plan all along FakeNoose Jul 2019 #8
The easy answer is an increasingly sliding scale to qualify... Moostache Jul 2019 #11
Yes, we need to thin the herd a bit... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #13
This. Tipperary Jul 2019 #29
It will thin naturally, elleng Jul 2019 #30
I totally agree. This crowded primary season may cost us so much we lose the general. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #38
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