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peggysue2

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:34 PM Aug 2019

The Debate From a Slightly Different Perspective [View all]

I've just had my cable capacity restored after a major power outage in our area. Lost all my in-house electronic connections--TV, phones and computer. Consequently, my husband and I (and our dog Kiera) listened to last night's debate via my car's Sirius connection. Which meant we sat in the driveway for 2+ hours running the car, switching to battery assist, running the car, etc., etc., etc. We did this bc our pooch gets motion sickness, so a 2+ hour drive was out of the question. Anyway . . .

I listened to the debate devoid of the optics. I was a bit startled the some DUer's were making reference to Joe Biden's appearance or that he sounded 'shaky.' To me (husband and puppy agree), Biden defended himself and threw some punches back without getting nasty. He was also one of the few debate participants who honored the time limits. Only heard Joe go over his time allotment once though I might have missed another occasion running into the house to use the bathroom. In any case, he had a much better night than in the first round. He held his own, he answered his critics and he passionately defended President Obama's record.

Kamala Harris had a reversal of fortune last night, IMHO. She was not forthcoming on the details of her healthcare proposal, eg. that people will be kicked off their employer-based insurance programs. Simply saying that private insurance will still be available is tap-dancing around the major issue, specifically removing people from plans they have and want to keep. Then there was the surprise attack from Tulsi Gabbard which was pretty harsh and for which Harris seemed unprepared. Maybe a little karma worked its way into the room!

Cory Booker was as aggressive as I'd anticipated. According to Booker, we're all to believe that every flaw/fault of our criminal justice system is Joe Biden's responsibility. A step too far in my mind. Plus, Booker definitely got prickly when Biden mentioned Booker's own shortcomings in Newark. It was a 'what's okay for thee is off-limits for me' moment. Not an effective approach if you're that thin-skinned. That being said, I'm sure Booker will get the attention he wanted. Whether it will be good or bad remains to be seen. But I must say, criticizing President Obama could result in a huge backlash. Not a good strategy from where I was sitting.

Tulsi Gabbard was ready to rumble last night. Just can't figure her out. She's not going to be the nominee but I wonder if she's hoping for a cabinet position in a Biden Administration. She's not a fan of Kamala Harris that's for damn well sure. But I don't know why the laser focus on Harris' background and AG history? Puzzling.

Inslee is the go-to man for all things climate related. DiBlasio was a jerk for a second time and Gillibrand was ineffective (though I liked her Clorox the Oval Office line).

Castro needs to drop the decriminalization discussion because this is a fatal subject for Dems with all our current immigration problems. More effective would be a call for a renewed push on an actual immigration policy, so everyone knows the rules upfront and underscoring the right of asylum for those at the border. There are other strategies of increasing funds (rather than Trump's cutting) for our southern neighbors to improve their economies and reduce crime so people don't feel the desperation to leave in the first place. But the word 'decriminalization' is toxic in the present atmosphere.

Andrew Yang brings an interesting and important perspective to the discussion--the guaranteed income idea in face of the AI revolution which will decimate employment. It's something we're going to deal with in the future whether we want to or not. But I don't think it's enough to move the needle, at least not yet. Poor Michael Bennet's voice was lost in the noise. What became clear to me, however, is that Bennet shares a lot of Biden's positions, a liberal to moderate pragmatic platform, things we can get done and restore.

So, that was my personal reaction without seeing the expressions, gestures or body language. Biden (who is my choice at the moment) held his own. Harris took a number of slings and arrows and a few I suspect left a mark. As for Booker? Guess we'll have to see the post-debate polling to determine if the pugilistic debate style worked. It didn't for me (my husband and puppy as well). But we're just three entities and Kiera doesn't vote.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Enjoyable read, and a very good analysis -- thank you! I'm so sorry about your having to sit highplainsdem Aug 2019 #1
I think we created conversation for our neighbors peggysue2 Aug 2019 #2
Lol. Imagine the responses if you told them. Hortensis Aug 2019 #6
Yeah.. even though I "watched it" (heavy on the multi-tasking), your impressions are consistent hlthe2b Aug 2019 #3
The criticism of the Obama years surprised me as well peggysue2 Aug 2019 #7
"I was a bit startled the some DUer's were making reference to Joe Biden's appearance..." demmiblue Aug 2019 #4
Soooooo . . . peggysue2 Aug 2019 #10
Spot on. I thought Joe was measured, articulate & strong onetexan Aug 2019 #30
De nada. demmiblue Aug 2019 #39
Really? peggysue2 Aug 2019 #40
Exactly, PeggySue! Cha Aug 2019 #53
Agree. Slimy post that demmiblue reposted, creepy threat. Hortensis Aug 2019 #69
Whoever they are, they're an asshole. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #34
You Got That Absolutely, right! Cha Aug 2019 #46
Mr. Liver wins the day. lapucelle Aug 2019 #50
Love me some Cha Aug 2019 #56
Bazinga! George II Aug 2019 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #19
it's a disgusting opinion and should be posted all over DU ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #33
Damn Straight! Cha Aug 2019 #47
Wow. Who could be so petty that he/she cared about how many face jobs one (might have) had.... George II Aug 2019 #54
Very good analysis leftieNanner Aug 2019 #5
Will she be the new Jill Stein? peggysue2 Aug 2019 #13
Could you let me know what it is about Gabbard that is so toxic onetexan Aug 2019 #31
I think her stance on Syria and . . . peggysue2 Aug 2019 #41
thanks. Agree, those positions play into RW hands onetexan Aug 2019 #48
Journalistic research in Tulsi's home state. From my bookmarks, this link... Hekate Aug 2019 #49
Mahalo, Hekate! Cha Aug 2019 #58
She also refused to debate any candidates running for her seat. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #51
Wow, and she managed to win onetexan Aug 2019 #52
She's my Rep, onetexan.. and Cha Aug 2019 #59
Whoa, seems she's pro-Russian onetexan Aug 2019 #62
So do I! Cha Aug 2019 #64
Mahalo, she.. for pointing that out.. here's some Cha Aug 2019 #60
Thanks for your add, Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #61
Yours was an important one, Cha Aug 2019 #63
It's coming out. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #65
I have no idea.. don't Cha Aug 2019 #66
;) sheshe2 Aug 2019 #67
great.. Cha Aug 2019 #68
She would if she could... Hekate Aug 2019 #45
Beautifully summed up! Catamount Aug 2019 #8
Thanks, Catamount peggysue2 Aug 2019 #14
I completely agree and had a similar reaction to the debate last night Pachamama Aug 2019 #9
It appears Kamala has opened Pandora's box with the . . . peggysue2 Aug 2019 #15
When you attack True Blue American Aug 2019 #27
Exactly! peggysue2 Aug 2019 #42
Mahalo for your perspective, Pachamama! Cha Aug 2019 #57
Thanks. That is an interesting view that mostly expands on mine Hortensis Aug 2019 #11
Not suggesting he should offer her anything peggysue2 Aug 2019 #16
Exactly the same here. We're all odd ducks, Hortensis Aug 2019 #24
LOL!! peggysue2 Aug 2019 #43
Brilliant, PeggySue! Cha Aug 2019 #17
Thanks, girlfriend! peggysue2 Aug 2019 #18
Oh I see.. 36 hours.. that sounds Cha Aug 2019 #20
The criticism of the Obama years is just plain stupid peggysue2 Aug 2019 #21
I read that 97% approval, too.. Cha Aug 2019 #22
Interesting, insightful, and fun read. I really like a puppy who shares my take on things. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #23
I find little to disagree with here. But I'll say this... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #25
When debating Trump, Biden has so much material to use - the economy Trump inherited; Russia; Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #35
Biden stayed cool Lulu KC Aug 2019 #36
+1000 Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #38
lol.. Good post, Lulu KC Cha Aug 2019 #71
+1! Cha Aug 2019 #74
Thank you for that perspective. True Blue American Aug 2019 #26
Bennet's someone I could support also. I'd prefer farther Hortensis Aug 2019 #70
Nice analysis Beringia Aug 2019 #28
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #32
Something I haven't seen mentioned here: world wide wally Aug 2019 #37
Thank you! Very refreshing! Hekate Aug 2019 #44
KICK! Cha Aug 2019 #72
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