Democratic Primaries

dansolo

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82. Its not shitloads more

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:00 AM

Oct 2019

I believe it was marginally more, like 2-3 trillion. The problem is that the M4A costs are based on the requirement that all medical services be charged at current Medicare rates. That is unrelistic, so the cost for M4A will very likely be even higher than the 32 trillion figure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Oh no. Joe compares Bernie and Elizabeth to Trump on M4A. [View all] HerbChestnut Oct 2019 OP

And, BS said Biden is sounding like trump on M4A.. Cha Oct 2019 #1

so we agree that NO ONE qazplm135 Oct 2019 #15

Exactly. Cha Oct 2019 #18

Four hours and no response. Hmmmm. George II Oct 2019 #58

That's pretty fucked up melman Oct 2019 #2

"Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All" Cha Oct 2019 #5

Looking at that thread melman Oct 2019 #8

Any comment on how "pretty fucked up" it was for Cha Oct 2019 #10

No melman Oct 2019 #14

Yeah I figured.. it's ok for BS to bring fucking trump's Cha Oct 2019 #17

+1000. ehrnst Oct 2019 #37

Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Oct 2019 #66

Mayor Pete on MFA in 2018 ritapria Oct 2019 #77

Those pesky facts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #79

And? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #86

"I don't like either of them doing it." melman Oct 2019 #45

This sure beats coming up with an actual response, doesn't it? ehrnst Oct 2019 #87

That's the way it works, isn't it? George II Oct 2019 #55

Yep.. and there we have it. Cha Oct 2019 #65

Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #67

No it isn't, it's pretty much the same. But for some that's ok I guess. Wonder why? George II Oct 2019 #41

If it's the same melman Oct 2019 #42

Too busy trying to convince those who are bashing Biden that he didn't do as accused.... George II Oct 2019 #48

Bazinga! ehrnst Oct 2019 #89

Swing and a miss melman Oct 2019 #95

Nope. George II Oct 2019 #99

Of course you're holding Sanders to a lower standard. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #97

I get his point though...both want to end the ACA for something worse in Trump's case and kind of Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #94

I agree with Biden OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #49

I listened 4 times and I thought it was an odd statement ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #3

Somebody get me a bucket Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #4

Did this make you "nauseous"?! Cha Oct 2019 #6

Yes, Does That Give You Comfort? Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #16

What are you talking about? Cha Oct 2019 #19

Let Me Spell It Out Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #22

I asked a question.. my "comfort" has nothing to do with it. Cha Oct 2019 #23

So BS's July statement made you more nauseated than you've been since 2003? lapucelle Oct 2019 #28

The donut gag! melman Oct 2019 #29

lol ehrnst Oct 2019 #35

Oh melman Oct 2019 #40

Yes, same as before... boring. ehrnst Oct 2019 #88

Phillip Johnson's Glass House in New Canaan, CT melman Oct 2019 #93

Lol. Same thing over and over again. ehrnst Oct 2019 #101

I prefer cupcakes myself: George II Oct 2019 #51

A happy cupcake is preferable to one that's angry. lapucelle Oct 2019 #57

Well what do you know, nice catch Cha. Mahalo! George II Oct 2019 #39

Oh I sure as hell didn't forget that.. Cha Oct 2019 #64

So criticizing Warren is as bad as invading Iraq...ridiculous. What we have here is a difference of Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #96

Joe's right. MFA is impossible to happen - more impossible than the building of Trump's pet project. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #7

It's impossible when Democrats buy into false GOP cost arguments. That is true. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #9

Congressional Budget office says mfa... 32 trillion over the next decade. Realistically... you Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #12

How much will we pay for medical insurance without it? I bet it's shitloads more. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #13

BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #80

Its not shitloads more dansolo Oct 2019 #82

If we only break-even, I can live with that. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #106

You are right because Scandinavian countries could not do it, Canada could not do it Perseus Oct 2019 #20

We aren't SMART enough to achieve universal healthcare when greed blm Oct 2019 #33

It may come as a surprise that Canada has "universal healthcare" (a confusing misnomer, btw).... George II Oct 2019 #44

depends which province you live in. Quebec has the most comprehensive floppyboo Oct 2019 #74

It's impossible because it took 10 years for ACA to start...START catching on..and all we heard was UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #61

And the Dems ran from it for a while to be safe. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #63

Refreshing and courageous honesty, Skya Rhen. The hard truth is hard. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #24

I guess it is a hard truth when we can't even get Democrats to embrace our values. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #26

It is not tacking right to adopt a feasible plan to get to universal healthcare. M4All is simply not emmaverybo Oct 2019 #30

It was called "impossible upthread." Gore1FL Oct 2019 #34

Universal healthcare simply means healthcare for all. It is not synonymous with M4All. It is not emmaverybo Oct 2019 #60

I'd much rather pay higher taxes and lower health premiums in the total cost is lower. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #108

For many, that could be true--their tax raise may be more than compensated by what they save emmaverybo Oct 2019 #110

It's just weird that every other western nation can do this. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #113

NHS is getting privatized and is a mess. People on Medicaid have much better healthcare. America emmaverybo Oct 2019 #117

They are still better than what we have. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #118

We can have universal healthcare. It does not have to be M4All. It does not have to be single-payer, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #119

It is impossible and will end just like Clintoncare...and maybe we lose the ACA in the attempt...bad Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #102

Bullshit Gore1FL Oct 2019 #107

People always talk about values when they want something that will make us lose. What value is there Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #114

That's an argument I've heard for forty years. It's been wrong the whole time Gore1FL Oct 2019 #115

+1000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #111

How much more likely is Biden's plan? Why are Republicans more likely to vote to expand the ACA... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #54

We need the Senate and no one gets much without it, but the GOP have been beaten up badly over Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #103

Fully aware. Given that...I'll back the people that want to go the furthest... TCJ70 Oct 2019 #109

Agreed. But lets focus on fantasy plans instead of shit that can GET DONE. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #62

That is FAR from "comparing" them to trump. George II Oct 2019 #11

"Playing Trump's game, trying to con the American people" Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #21

He addressed what he thought our side should not do--he names "Democrats," and he is right. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #25

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I'm close to abandoning the whole bunch randr Oct 2019 #27

I thought that is called a platform the party adopts after we elect a nominee. It is not new that emmaverybo Oct 2019 #31

If the candidates had all the same stances on all of the issues... TwilightZone Oct 2019 #53

Amy/Pete or Pete/Amy would make for a wonderful outcome for America and the world Celerity Oct 2019 #83

One of my main concerns is the state of our governing system in DC randr Oct 2019 #85

I disagree brooklynite Oct 2019 #32

They took over once with a "contract for America" randr Oct 2019 #59

None of the elements of which were discussed in detail brooklynite Oct 2019 #71

Right, just simple statements that reflected the wants of their voters randr Oct 2019 #72

What we don't need are decontextualized characterizations from Common Dreams lapucelle Oct 2019 #36

Oh no, "Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All" George II Oct 2019 #38

That is exactly why... tonedevil Oct 2019 #47

I stand with Biden on this one. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #43

He keeps sinking himself. Go for it. BeckyDem Oct 2019 #46

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YOUR OPINION ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #68

I think you're following me around trying to get me banned OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #69

Sorry you are not that compelling ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #70

strike three Kurt V. Oct 2019 #52

Strike TWENTY-three!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #81

I'm thinking about ignoring threads that are sourced from pot stirrers like The Hill, Politico, and emulatorloo Oct 2019 #56

No problem. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #73

I'm not "upset" by your source, I just think those three sites exist to stir up shit about Democrats emulatorloo Oct 2019 #75

Biden has a point; but, yeah, I wouldn't compare them to trump, even if Hoyt Oct 2019 #76

Somewhere between a figurative and literal translation. Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2019 #78

I do not like ANY of our candidates inferring ANY of our candidates are Trumpian cons or comparing Celerity Oct 2019 #84

Biden should take this back and apologize. Joe941 Oct 2019 #90

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Right. Sanders and Warren do not remotely sound like tRump on healthcare. CentralMass Oct 2019 #105

This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #98

The way I see it is, MFA is probably pipe dream but ecstatic Oct 2019 #92

Same choir pretending this is critical, and throwing it at the wall. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #100

You kids quit bickering. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #104

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