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ehrnst

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14. So supporting anything other than M4A in two years time equals "appeasing fascists?"

Reply to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 06:13 PM

Nov 2019

Last edited Mon Nov 18, 2019, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

False dilemma, anyone?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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'We Should Pick the Low-Hanging Fruit First.' Bill Clinton Wades Into the Health Care Debate [View all] Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 OP

Mr. President ritapria Nov 2019 #1

Actually, the vast majority of those countries with Universal Health Care do not have single payer, ehrnst Nov 2019 #2

Truth to power! George II Nov 2019 #6

+1 betsuni Nov 2019 #22

Good post. Canada actually allowed some provinces to opt out of national healthcare. Blue_true Nov 2019 #42

Some faithful take the word of the messiah without critical thinking PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #104

With or without the consistent level of GOP obstructionism as experienced in the US? LanternWaste Nov 2019 #3

Indeed. ehrnst Nov 2019 #4

He's speaking about the route to get there, not the final destination. And.... George II Nov 2019 #5

Why should only the elderly get the simplicity of single payer? IronLionZion Nov 2019 #10

"Everyone" is a much, much larger group than the elderly. ehrnst Nov 2019 #15

It's irrelevant if it can't pass. The ACA took a massive effort to get through. themaguffin Nov 2019 #20

It's irrelevant if it can't pass. The ACA took a massive effort to get through. themaguffin Nov 2019 #21

Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Democrats Gothmog Nov 2019 #105

I'm hoping that she'll listen to the experts and modify her plan with their data. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #108

And when the fascists will do everything to poison that fruit? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #7

Running on M4A and losing would only help the fascists. Winning isn't everything it is the only Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #9

And appeasing fascists definitely doesn't work. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #13

So supporting anything other than M4A in two years time equals "appeasing fascists?" ehrnst Nov 2019 #14

Obamacare is really just a Heritage Foundation plan warmed over & rebranded. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #25

So you're going to avoid answering the question, and persist in the false dillema fallacy. ehrnst Nov 2019 #26

What's false? And close only counts in horseshoes & hand grenades. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #27

Keep on posting evasions. ehrnst Nov 2019 #32

I note that you didn't actually point out any inaccuracies. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #63

This is inaccurate: betsuni Nov 2019 #67

Yep. That's a straw man someone else set up and attacked that I had no reason to "defend." ehrnst Nov 2019 #69

I pointed out that you attacked a straw man. I just didn't bother to defend it for you. ehrnst Nov 2019 #68

If "Obamacare" is really just a Heritage Foundation plan, why would "the fascists" betsuni Nov 2019 #65

Because Obama sponsored it. Nothing more. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #66

Why do you think Democrats touted it as a Republican plan? betsuni Nov 2019 #70

.... ehrnst Nov 2019 #73

I can only conclude BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #86

The only way is for them to have less power treestar Nov 2019 #89

If we lose the election because we overreached, we get nothing. Blue_true Nov 2019 #44

No, Russian interference & the Left believing RW bullshit about HRC got us Trump. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #59

Yes. Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #76

I rather clearly pointed to an "all or nothing" mindset. Blue_true Nov 2019 #98

Um... did you even read what you wrote there? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #99

Compromise isn't the dirty word that you want it to be. Blue_true Nov 2019 #100

Compromise with fascists & corporate oligarchs certainly is. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #103

There would be no ACA with that attitude treestar Nov 2019 #88

We could have had *REAL* universal healthcare. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #91

President Obama should have taken Canada's approach. Blue_true Nov 2019 #101

I think president Obama treestar Nov 2019 #107

Bill is right. We need to encourage states to develop single payer plans. Blue_true Nov 2019 #43

Fantastic idea... check077 Nov 2019 #56

Oh, right. 50 different systems w/corps sponsoring a race to the bottom. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #64

You are absolutely wrong. Blue_true Nov 2019 #93

How States Have Sabotaged Obamacare BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #94

You keep pointing to what red states have done. Blue_true Nov 2019 #96

And it opens the door to the real destruction of healthcare in this country. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #97

Sorry, but maybe when people suffer because of the facists that get elected, they will prevent Blue_true Nov 2019 #102

Ins. across state lines would make things worse, because state regulations keep abuse in check. ehrnst Nov 2019 #74

I disagree. State regulators are adding to the problem now, particularly in red states and Blue_true Nov 2019 #95

The PARADIGM! Now there's a specific, clear description of what's you think is wrong... ehrnst Nov 2019 #71

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Well said loyalsister Nov 2019 #11

Well said? sheshe2 Nov 2019 #41

+1 CentralMass Nov 2019 #51

"crawl back under whatever place he was hiding?" ehrnst Nov 2019 #16

Do you deny that Bill Clinton has deliberately kept out of the limelight ? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #17

"crawl back under whatever place he was hiding" ehrnst Nov 2019 #18

You said: sheshe2 Nov 2019 #23

It's pretty obvious to everyone, and was intended to be. ehrnst Nov 2019 #24

It was perfectly clear to me. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #46

Apparently it was perfectly clear to more than just you. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #60

Me too. betsuni Nov 2019 #62

Well, he HASN'T kept out of the limelight. George II Nov 2019 #37

No one puts Bill in a corner. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #40

I suggest you're wrong, Fiendish. And, what's up with Cha Nov 2019 #38

He has had a pretty robust public presence. Blue_true Nov 2019 #45

Yeah, if there's anything that Bill Clinton is known for is being wimpy on health care initiatives. ehrnst Nov 2019 #19

" America's greatest moments have not come from "picking low hanging fruit" " myohmy2 Nov 2019 #28

Yes, improving on the ACA, which was the mandate for the 2018 blue wave ehrnst Nov 2019 #30

Put Bold on Hold; real is the deal! UncleNoel Nov 2019 #36

I see what you mean... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #75

Actually the fruit at the bottom is ready to pick. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #47

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I am with Obama. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #49

Yes, bashing Obama seems to be a sport designed to show just how "progressive" one is. ehrnst Nov 2019 #72

I guess it didn't take "bold new leadership" to both balance the budget and eliminate the deficit? George II Nov 2019 #33

I think your post is insulting, uncalled for in terms of the debate, and clearly breaks , emmaverybo Nov 2019 #34

Predictable response. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #12

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So you said it anyway, ddr007 Hekate Nov 2019 #31

Not clever either. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #61

What an appalling thread this turned out to be Hekate Nov 2019 #35

Seriously. betsuni Nov 2019 #39

Thank you President Clinton. oasis Nov 2019 #50

Yes, thank you Mr. President!! aeromanKC Nov 2019 #52

How about we should make the case for KPN Nov 2019 #53

Either you have the votes or you don't. betsuni Nov 2019 #54

Who said anything about doing nothing? Talk about we should set our sights on low hanging fruit KPN Nov 2019 #79

It's not a concession; it's a good strategy to accomplish meaningful change right away as we work LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #81

Right ... in other words, accept it. KPN Nov 2019 #82

No, not "accept it"; accomplish what you can while working for better. It's the mature approach. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #83

Don't offend me. KPN Nov 2019 #84

Your post was dismissive, and misrepresented my position. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #85

A lot of this kind of thinking might apply to self improvement treestar Nov 2019 #78

That's your opinion. Not mine -- I don't buy it. The right is not simply or just KPN Nov 2019 #80

So what are we supposed to do? treestar Nov 2019 #87

That's not what low-hanging fruit means. I have an apple tree & and a bum knee. The high fruit .... Hekate Nov 2019 #90

+1 LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #92

Bill Clinton supported Single Payer Eric J in MN Nov 2019 #55

We don't need to be inspired; we need to actually accomplish things that matter. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #77

I love how people seem to miss that little word "first" Hav Nov 2019 #57

+1 betsuni Nov 2019 #58

Bill Clinton is as politically astute as ever PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #106