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Celerity

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22. Glad to see you broach this. Lets say Bernie has 1791 pledged delegates (45%) for the first ballot,
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:24 PM
Mar 2020

where 1991 is needed.

It will then go to a second ballot, as there is zero chance that Biden can hit 1991 if Sanders has 1791, as that leaves only 197 delegates won by ALL the others, and there is no way a combined Pete, Amy, Warren, and Bloomberg end up with a total of 197, that will never happen. They will have hundred and hundreds more than that, but on the first ballot, they are locked in to vote for their candidate.


So, we move onto the 2nd ballot. At this point, the magic 1991 number now goes up to 2375, as now the Superdelegates can vote and are included.

If no one gets 1,991 votes on the first ballot, then things could get more complicated. This is the scenario people refer to when they use the phrase “contested convention” or “brokered convention.”

In this situation, there would be a second ballot. And on the second ballot, there are votes from two sets of delegates:

Votes from the 3,979 pledged delegates, who are allowed to support a different candidate on the second ballot if they so choose

An additional 771 votes from “automatic delegates,” commonly known as superdelegates

To win the nomination, a candidate still must earn a majority of the votes on a given ballot. In this case, that means she or he must amass more than 2,375 pledged and automatic delegates. (In the second and subsequent rounds, a few automatic delegates get only half votes; the D.N.C. says the magic number is 2,375.5, which this time is not rounded up.)

It is theoretically possible that the nomination process would extend through multiple ballots until one candidate hits the magic number (2,375.5) and prevails. One thing to keep in mind is that delegates do not need to stay with the candidate to whom they were originally allocated and can move around.



This all means Bernie needs to gain 584 MORE delegates. All the pledged delegates are now unlocked and can switch, plus the SD's can voted for whoever they desire. I do not see him getting more than 150-200 MAX (if that) of the SD's. Most are vehemently against him.

So he needs around 400 to 450 or so MORE.

Even if ALL of Warren's delegates go to Bernie (that will never happen), she will more than likely have only around 150 to 200 total delegates.

So he will STILL be 200 to 300 SHORT of 2375.

I do not see hardly any of the other candidates' delegates going to Bernie (other than Warren's and not all of hers will), and Bernie MAY lose a few himself. His campaign and social media and far left sites have savagely attacked Pete, Klobuchar, Biden, Warren, Bloomberg for ages. There is a LOT of animosity there.

In fact, Bernie could roll in with 47%, or even 48% and the breakdown still works. Biden was now said he will contest at the convention even if Bernie has a plurality, and IF Bernie does end up with 45%, it will be next to impossible for Biden to end up with more than 37%, 38% or so, MAX, due to the others running. He likely would be in the low 30's.

That said, IF they all rally around Biden on the 2nd ballot, you could have a 45% to 47, 48% Bernie (in terms of actual voted on pledged delegates) having the nomination ripped away from him. IF that happens, the party will rip itself apart and Trump will surely win. We are headed into dangerous, treacherous waters. I REALLY hope Biden can somehow pass up Sanders in terms of a plurality, and even better, somehow hit 1991 (probably impossible unless Sanders collapses and ALL but Joe drop out ASAP.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
LOL. He's not. He and his campaign are digging up whatever smears they can and posting them DanTex Mar 2020 #1
I'm not sure with Bloomberg. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #2
If Sanders doesn't go in to the convention Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #3
It's not about being "entitled", it's just a question of whether the delegates and supers DanTex Mar 2020 #17
I hope we don't have a brokered convention. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #20
I agree with that. Either Bernie or Joe with a majority. DanTex Mar 2020 #23
We've been over this.... AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #26
And if the party splits no big deal right? ripcord Mar 2020 #27
We aren't going to split...UNLESS it's you all splitting....then that's on you. AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #31
Follow the rules no matter what the outcome, that's just scary ripcord Mar 2020 #46
Yes we have. And the delegates can choose to respect the will of the voters. DanTex Mar 2020 #28
"fracturing the party?" ehrnst Mar 2020 #34
"it's just a question of whether the delegates and supers respect the will of the voters" ehrnst Mar 2020 #35
Glad to see you broach this. Lets say Bernie has 1791 pledged delegates (45%) for the first ballot, Celerity Mar 2020 #22
I think we lose to Trump Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #24
Pete just dropped out, so now Biden's chances have shot up to catch Bernie in terms of a plurality Celerity Mar 2020 #25
You know what, you are right! LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #5
DanTex is right. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #10
Thanks! The polling, for about a month now, has shown that Bernie would win a DanTex Mar 2020 #15
Wow. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #18
He can't souce the claim..... AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #33
He did LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #37
Dan didn't source it....you tried...wait..are you Dan2? AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #39
No, he posted that and I picked it up. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #41
Show your work.... AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #32
Smears and rumors? Is that where you've landed now after ehrnst Mar 2020 #44
I don't believe it...I see those polls but I said I would vote for Bloomberg if Biden failed. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #42
Polls don't mean as much as they once did. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #43
I would guess that he has surrounded himself lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #4
That sounds right. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #7
Why is there any question as the whether Bloomberg jmg257 Mar 2020 #6
I think Sanders/Warren was a major motivation for him. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #8
Now that I can agree with. Nt jmg257 Mar 2020 #9
Don't think it is kooky to seriously wonder about that. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #11
A thread on this topic got removed for being Kooky earlier. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #13
I think that is exactly what it is, his ego still_one Mar 2020 #12
I believe that too. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #14
It's strange treestar Mar 2020 #16
He is also loathed for stop and frisk. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #19
Bloomberg is positioned to potentially take a lot of delegates on Super Tuesday Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2020 #21
He's on a vanity trip Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #29
Billionaires attract yes men like a porch light attracts bugs. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #30
Bloomberg IS smart. I believe he takes his shot on Super Tuesday and if that doesn't work Blue_true Mar 2020 #36
Because he started to believe his own press. Codeine Mar 2020 #38
$500 million... TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2020 #40
He's trying to help himself customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #45
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