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28. These were voters who got sucked into the LIES
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 07:10 PM
Apr 2019


Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters weren’t big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters — even if Sanders voters didn’t vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

The Liberal case against Bernie

by Erci Alterman.. former BS supporter..

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Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential candidacy poses a conundrum for progressives. Not since 1936, when Franklin Roosevelt said that he “welcomed” the hatred of corporate interests, has a serious presidential candidate offered so aggressive a challenge to the conservative powers that be. At the same time, however, a dangerous lunatic is president of the United States, and Sanders, of all the major Democratic contenders, is the one who will make Donald Trump’s reelection most likely. Eight years of a Trump presidency could mean the end of meaningful democracy in the United States, along with many of the rights that women, minorities, immigrants, LGBTQ people, and others now take for granted.

Let me clarify: I’ve been a fan and supporter of Sanders ever since he was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont, in 1981. I was honored to be asked to testify before him in Congress years ago, and I voted for him in the New York presidential primary in 2016. I did so, however, not because I imagined he might win the nomination, but because I hoped that a strong showing by Sanders would help wake up Hillary Clinton to the importance of addressing economic inequality, and also to honor his brave criticism of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

I was wrong. Sanders turned so negative toward Clinton that it hurt her in the general election. Even though he campaigned for her after he lost the nomination, roughly 12 percent of Sanders’s supporters switched to Trump, and enough of the rest supported Jill Stein’s kamikaze candidacy that it helped tip key states to Trump.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=42334
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Good article Gothmog Apr 2019 #1
And Bernie implicitly encouraged it BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #2
And then blamed Hillary for the Russians supporting him comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #3
+1. Hillary was no longer in government dalton99a Apr 2019 #4
Still important to many zentrum Apr 2019 #8
Yup. It's impossible to post anything about Bernie here... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #12
But justie18 Apr 2019 #13
Yes, there are Sanders voters who did not vote for Hillary. But... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #18
+1 progressoid Apr 2019 #21
Well justie18 Apr 2019 #24
The point of the WP story is that what you quoted there is bogus. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #25
These were voters who got sucked into the LIES Cha Apr 2019 #28
I disagree that Sanders was overly hard on Clinton. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #29
Eric Alterman who was a BS supporter Disagrees Cha Apr 2019 #30
Eric Alterman is not the Ultimate Arbiter of Reality. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2019 #31
Oh, it's not just Eric Alterman.. so Cha Apr 2019 #32
And there are others who were there who remember things differently. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #33
Bottom line.. BS is too Divisive. Cha Apr 2019 #34
++Yup. zentrum Apr 2019 #22
BS not taking Cha Apr 2019 #27
K&R betsuni Apr 2019 #5
Great reminder and article. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #6
Let's hope DownriverDem Apr 2019 #7
And they will do it again if we let them. athena Apr 2019 #9
Imagine that UniteTheLeft Apr 2019 #10
Yep. And they knew who the easy marks were. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #14
If Bernie wins the nomination this time the Russians will know who the easy marks will be in 2020 Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #19
One is known. One is a presumption. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #20
This article is worthy to post here as a reminder that there are foreign trolls out there seeking KPN Apr 2019 #11
K and R oasis Apr 2019 #15
i was on mirt at about that time. mopinko Apr 2019 #16
Interesting times. And more to come. Hortensis Apr 2019 #23
I thought the influence was obvious. I believe there were posts on DU at the time that Nitram Apr 2019 #17
I like Bernie's. Which is why I support Elizabeth Warren. malchickiwick Apr 2019 #26
From my twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2019 #35
Russia was very successful Gothmog Apr 2019 #36
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