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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
35. That's a brutal interpretation of the numbers
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:02 PM
Apr 2019

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You can't merely multiply numbers from different markets, ones that are not absolutely working in concert.

A similar example would be late in the NFL playoffs and a team that let's say has a 25% theoretical chance at winning the AFC Championship Game, and 19% chance of winning the Super Bowl. Then that 25% team pulls the upset and wins the AFC title game. You don't merely multiply the 19% by 4 and proclaim they have a 76% likelihood of winning the Super Bowl. It depends on the other market, the NFC Championship Game and who comes out of there. Both games and how they unfold will determine perception and odds, just like the separate political campaigns and conventions of both parties.

We will never be 76% likely against Donald Trump. Incumbents receive enormous benefit of a doubt. That's why perception here differs so strongly from the betting markets. Even when posters here were proclaiming that Trump had no chance in 2020 he was still trading at reasonable numbers in the markets, and the GOP as a whole was only a minor underdog toward 2020.

It is difficult for me to tell how Biden will fare during the primary season. But I am not going overboard on the chances of someone who has attempted this multiple times previously and never been a serious contender down the stretch. That signals vulnerability. And vulnerability doesn't decrease once a candidate reaches that age.

Biden will have to dominate the debates and the polling to become nominee. I think the 25% is overstated toward his true odds. In a huge field the last thing a sharp gambler does is take the lukewarm marginal favorite. The Kentucky Derby had a 20 year stretch of the favorite losing, from 1980-1999. The common denominator during that period was that the great odds-on favored horses like Seattle Slew and Spectacular Bid were no longer showing up, and instead the oddsmaker was forced to make somebody the favorite among a 20-horse field of mush. The mush favorite would typically be in the 3/1 or 4/1 range and none of them got there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
It would be nice if he Turbineguy Apr 2019 #1
Our nation is fatigued by trump. dubyadiprecession Apr 2019 #3
The big unknown is if we go to a brokered convention. I know there are some who still_one Apr 2019 #2
The DNC changed the way it handles super delegates now, correct? watoos Apr 2019 #4
That is my understanding also, though in the past the SD always went with the candidate that had still_one Apr 2019 #5
Move your foot a little bit. Your worries at this point in time in the primary races.. friend of m and j Apr 2019 #7
Good analogy, but I still think there is a good chance too many candidates will not drop out still_one Apr 2019 #10
Well, history suggests don't worry until you have to. Hortensis Apr 2019 #20
I hear you. Nothing anyone can do about it anyway still_one Apr 2019 #23
Well, we sure can't, whatever strategies might Hortensis Apr 2019 #29
Tes we certainly do Hortensis. Too interesting for my taste still_one Apr 2019 #33
At least we're spared some of it. Hortensis Apr 2019 #34
Supers always voted for the candidate who got the most delegates. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #21
A brokered convention is the absolute last thing to worry about Blue_Adept Apr 2019 #11
The fact is the SD rules have changed dramatically. This does NOT get trotted out every election still_one Apr 2019 #13
I disagree, it has gotten trotted out on DU regularly going back to '04 Blue_Adept Apr 2019 #14
We don't usually have 20 candidates run, with 10 probably still in after Super Tuesday, but we will still_one Apr 2019 #15
On the second vote supers can vote for the winner of the primary as they Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22
Here's another one: History shows that the early leader Hortensis Apr 2019 #6
We all donated in my house. THREE FOUR BIDEN. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #18
Who can beat Trump? friend of m and j Apr 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #9
What were Hillary's odds? SweetieD Apr 2019 #12
Predictit had her about the same before election day Cicada Apr 2019 #16
Those are damn good odds. Donate!! Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #17
Our Friends bdamomma Apr 2019 #19
Bovada still has Bernie with better odds Go Vols Apr 2019 #24
FiveThirtyEight has interesting polling results... SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2019 #25
like others have said, the democratic candidate field would be a could start for a cabinet AND beachbum bob Apr 2019 #26
No way Biden appoints Warren to treasury. He is raising Big$$$ delisen Apr 2019 #27
Who are the biggest employers in Delaware? What would happen if they went gateley Apr 2019 #31
Gotta say -- I like them odds! Blue Owl Apr 2019 #28
I want ALL of our candidates to do well. We're very lucky. nt gateley Apr 2019 #32
What were the odds of Trump winning? nt gateley Apr 2019 #30
That's a brutal interpretation of the numbers Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #35
Christie ignores the Russian influence on 2016 but Mueller and C!A have not delisen Apr 2019 #36
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