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Allies are supposed to be supportive.

as a Democratic ally his voice matters
Allies are supposed to be supportive. Can anyone explain how it's supportive for anyone to claim that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite" or that the Democratic party is "an absolute failure". What good purpose does that serve?

every voice matters on our side
All I'm saying is that I have an entirely different interpretation of what "on our side" means... and the constant denigration and attacks and smears of Democrats and the Democratic party isn't the behavior I'd expect from anyone who's actually "on our side".

It certainly doesn't promote unity and healing of past divisions. In fact, it's clear to me that when anyone says these things (or defends these things) it only serves to weaken the party and to cause suspicion and distrust.

And, as always... the only one who benefits from a divided and weakened Democratic party is the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.

Nobody is chasing away Bernie supporters.

There are plenty of people telling Bernie to go away
Nobody is chasing away Bernie supporters.

I think most Bernie supporters want the chance to welcomed as anyone else
I think that mature individuals are perfectly capable of not taking things personally, and of understanding that rejection of a politicians divisive rhetoric does not mean that they themselves are not "welcomed".

as anyone else with good left of GOP ideas to run
Well, there's where we part ways. I am STRONGLY OPPOSED to the smears and attacks and lies and divisive rhetoric about Democrats and the Democratic party.

It's simply NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt" or that Democrats are "feeble".

There is NOTHING AT ALL that's "left of GOP" for anyone to claim that Democrats are "corrupt" or that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure".

Maybe there are too many hurt feelings for that to happen, but Iím just talking out loud.
You're right about that. There is much distrust and it certainly doesn't help to heal wounds and unite people when someone tells LIES such as the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite".

There's even a DU rule that says it's not permitted to argue that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." But some politicians are cheered and praised when those false statements are made. Why? What good purpose does it serve?

I can assure you that it does NOTHING to strengthen the party. It does nothing to heal old wounds. It only creates further division and distrust.

All I'm saying is that the smears and lies about Democrats are completely unnecessary and they harm and weaken the party. Anything that weakens the Democratic party only serves to benefit Russia. Therefore, in my opinion, intentionally dividing and tarnishing the Democratic party is MUCH WORSE than any "go away, Bernie" message that may hurt someone's ego.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to assert that the appeal and strength of the Democratic party is much more important than the feelings of one man or one woman.

But, we can make some fairly accurate educated guesses using common sense.

No one knows what the future holds.
That's very true, nobody knows. But, we can make some fairly accurate educated guesses using common sense.

There are several others who have no shot at getting nominated.
But in their favor, those 2nd-tier candidates aren't saying that Democrats are "do-nothings" and they aren't saying that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change."

Also in their favor, even though the lesser-known and underfunded candidates aren't likely to be nominated, I view it as a very positive thing that they don't make divisive claims about how Democrats "focus too much" on diversity.

I'm very glad to see that those "underdog" candidates do not resort to petty lies about the Democratic party, and they they don't make divisive claims that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

Instead, what these first-time candidates are doing is BUILDING UP the Democratic party and CREATING EXCITEMENT for the Democratic party. They don't need to tear down the party in order to make themselves look good. Honestly now, what good purpose does that serve?

All I'm saying is that even though "there are several others who have no shot at getting nominated" ... at least they aren't bitter about it and they don't use divisive rhetoric to tarnish the brand of the Democratic Party or to make false suggestions that both parties are the same.

Are you "happy to hear him talking about"...

Always happy to hear him talking about the problems we face
Are you "happy to hear him talking about" divisive smears of how the Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt" and Democrats are "feeble".

Do you agree with the claim that Democrats are "corrupt" and that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure"? -- I certainly don't agree with it... so I'm wondering how this can be "music to your ears".

I'm good with him running again.
Are you also "good with him" making false accusations that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite".

All I'm trying to say here is that these things are divisive and do not encourage others to vote for Democrats, or to support the Democratic party. It doesn't encourage volunteerism, participation, or donors.

Things like that serve no good purpose at all. What it actually does it create distrust and division and that weakens the party. It destroys the party's resolve and unity. A disunited party is a weak party, and that ONLY serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.

That's not music to my years. We can do better. We need a candidate who can unite us... and he's not the one.

What's positive about having anyone falsely claim there's "no difference"

I think it would have a positive impact.
What's positive about having anyone falsely claim there's "no difference" between Democrats and the GOP? Where is the "positive impact" when someone says that the Democratic party is "the party of the elite" or "the party of the one percent"?

All I'm saying is that these types of smears and attacks on Democrats and the Democratic party are not the kind of things that actually motivate people to vote for Democrats. It also causes distrust and suspicion and that weakens the party. I believe that anything which weakens the party only benefits the GOP and Trump and Russia.

I'm just not seeing that as having a "positive impact".

You're absolutely correct! It serves no good purpose for anyone...

Nothing says 'vote for Dems' like bashing the entire Dem Party!
You're absolutely correct! It serves no good purpose for anyone to bash the party by saying that Democrats are "feeble" or that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure".

Only someone who truly hates the Democratic party would go to such efforts to denigrate us by saying that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite".

It only benefits the GOP when someone repeats the lie that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." Things like that only create distrust and suspicion, and that weakens the party.

I will only support a candidate who supports the party... someone who inspires and elevates the party... someone who lifts us up, not someone who tears us down. I'll only support someone who STICKS with the party through thick and thin, in good times and bad... not someone who's here today and gone tomorrow. Loyalty means a lot to me.

We have such an abundance of riches to draw from in the DEMOCRATIC party... people who are LOYAL to the party and to other Democrats. Those are the ones that energize me!

Enough of the negativity and lies and attacks and smears that denigrate real Democrats and the Democratic party!


Exactly! That's why it's so important to stand against those who denigrate the Democratic party...

United we stand, divided we fall.
Exactly! That's why it's so important to stand against those who denigrate the Democratic party with lies and smears.

We can remain united when people refrain from telling lies that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". We are strong when we stand up against the lies that Democrats are "feeble" or that that Democrats are "corrupt". At every turn, we must always confront and refute the lie that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite".

There should be absolutely NO disagreement when it comes to calling out the LIE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans," or the other LIE that Democrats are "do-nothings".

We can make a difference whenever Democrats stand up and fight back against those who tell LIES about how the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It serves no good purpose for anyone to spread these types of lies.

When those types of denigrating and divisive lies remain unchecked and unchallenged, then that's when the division starts. That's when people start to question the intentions and motives of others.

All I'm trying to say is that a divided and suspicious and distrusting Democratic party is one that is weakened... and that only benefits the GOP (which benefits Russia.)

Good catch. It also perpetuates the idea of separateness and...

Good catch. It also perpetuates the idea of separateness and it reinforces his belief that the Democratic response "isn't good enough" so he must get in on the action.

Ultimately this is just a way to steal the spotlight from Ms. Abrams. It's just a way to spoil her moment and put his spin on it by having the last word. It's disrespectful and it serves no good purpose.

Ms. Abrams speaks on behalf of the Democrats. On whose behalf is Bernie speaking?

Oh the unity! Can you feel it?

I know, people forget a lot of things, don't they?

... it's easy to forget ...
I know, people forget a lot of things, don't they?

One thing I hope that people never forget is are the false claims that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". We should also never forget the false claim that Democrats are "feeble", and the false claim that Democrats are "corrupt".

People aren't likely to forget the falsely claim that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" and the false claim that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". Nor will they forget the false claim that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans."

All I'm saying is those sorts of unfair and untrue smears on Democrats (and the Democratic party) really isn't "progressive" at all.

Fact of the matter is that when anyone continually spouts these attacks on Democrats, it actually causes a lot of harm. It creates distrust and division. It plants doubts and suspicions. It tarnishes and diminishes the Democratic "brand". It certainly isn't the kind of thing that someone says who wants to ATTRACT move voters into supporting Democrats or the Democratic party, so I have to wonder what good purpose it's supposed to serve.

These are perfectly fair and reasonable questions that deserve an honest response. It's also fair for loyal Democrats to stand in opposition against anyone who would try to damage the Democratic party in that way. I think reasonable people can agree that when anyone does something to weaken the Democratic party, that only benefits the GOP and Trump... and that ultimately benefits Trump.

Now is the time for unity, not division. We must remain strong, not engage in divisive attacks on Democrats that weaken the party. I don't know why anyone would be opposed to having a strong and united Democratic Party!

He was railroaded and denied the investigation he sought.

He was also smart enough to know that fighting (rightly to) for his reputation would also split the party and cause great damage. The ill conceived intra-party attacks against him had already begun... and the "ringleader" had caused too much damage already.

Franken knew this and he was MORE concerned for the future and strength of the party than he was for himself. He sacrificed himself for the sake of the party and to avoid a prolonged battle with those who had already boxed themselves in... and who were unable to do the right thing, or the fair thing.

Franken is, and will always be, a HERO to me. I admire him for the decisions he made and for the things he chose not to do (although he had every right to do) in defending his office, his integrity, and his reputation.

I will never forgive or trust the ringleader/s... and I'll always have doubts and resentment for the bandwagon-hoppers who neglected to think things through clearly and fairly. He was denied the due process he sought. He was railroaded. It was unfair. It was unjust. It was stupid.

As a party we are diminished because of it.

God Bless Al Franken! We need him now more than ever!! It's our great loss not to have him.
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