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Netanyhau: Hitler only wanted to expel Jews, but Jerusalem mufti told him to burn them

Source: Haaretz

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Wednesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681525?v=5F5E7462DD9B28912285B2F7FD52B0CB

Look for Netanyahu to be the keynote speaker at Iran's next Holocaust 'revisionism' conference.

Here's the language in question copied and pasted directly from the Israeli government's website:

And this attack and other attacks on the Jewish community in 1920, 1921, 1929, were instigated by a call of the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, who was later sought for war crimes in the Nuremberg trials because he had a central role in fomenting the final solution. He flew to Berlin. Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, "If you expel them, they'll all come here." "So what should I do with them?" he asked. He said, "Burn them." And he was sought in, during the Nuremberg trials for prosecution. He escaped it and later died of cancer, after the war, died of cancer in Cairo. But this is what Haj Amin al-Husseini said. He said, ":The Jews seek to destroy the Temple Mount." My grandfather in 1920 seeks to destroy…? Sorry, the al-Aqsa Mosque.

For the record, the Final Solution was fully underway well before Hitler met the mufti.

This should end his career, but won't.

David Irving made the same claim, that Hitler only wanted to deport them.

Yes, that David Irving.


UNESCO chief ‘deplores’ bid to name Western Wall part of Al-Aqsa


The move, Irina Bokova warned on UNESCO’s website, “could be seen to alter the status of the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls and incite further tensions.”

The executive board had been scheduled to vote Tuesday on a resolution submitted by Arab states that would officially recognize the Western Wall as part of the Muslim holy site, but Bokova postponed the vote until Wednesday. United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) sources say a number of countries are attempting to postpone the vote beyond Wednesday.

“We all have responsibility to UNESCO’s mandate, to take decisions that promote dialogue, tolerance and peace,” Bokova said.

The director-general urged both sides to ensure that the cultural and religious heritage at the holy site is preserved and accessible to everyone, and encouraged a return to dialogue “in the spirit of mutual understanding.”

I agree with her--that resolution is deplorable and would only make things a lot worse. It also confirms a lot of the criticism that gets lobbed at UNESCO.

An Iran-Deal Skeptic (Adam Schiff) Becomes a Supporter

Source: The Atlantic

Earlier this year, California Representative Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told me he had serious doubts about Iran’s intentions as it pursued a nuclear deal with the United States and five other world powers. He also said he was somewhat worried about the scale of possible American concessions during the talks. Schiff, who I described in a post at the time as a “moderate’s moderate,” suggested to me that he wanted to see President Obama achieve an important foreign-policy success, but as a Jew, he wanted to make sure that an anti-Semitic regime—both he and Obama agree that Iran is ruled by an anti-Semite—would not be allowed to become a nuclear-weapons state. At the time, he told me he was “uncommitted” and that he would “remain uncommitted” until he had time to review a final deal, should a final deal materialize.

Well, the final deal has materialized, and Schiff, in a telephone call over the weekend, told me that, based on an “extensive review,” he has decided to come out in favor of the deal. He said he plans to formally announce his support later on Monday, but that he has already informed the White House of his intentions. His decision should carry some weight with national security-minded Democrats, and with still-undecided members of the House Jewish caucus.

In our conversation, Schiff told me wants to see Obama and Congress work together to strengthen key aspects of the deal—most notably, he wants the administration to promise Iran that the United States will have zero tolerance for any instances of Iranian cheating. But he said he believes the deal could serve its stated purpose: to keep Iran south of the nuclear threshold.

“At the end of the day, I could not find an alternative that would turn out in a better way than the deal,” he said. “Rejection of the deal would not lead to something credible. And I think that there are enough ways to mitigate the risks associated with the deal that it makes sense to me to move forward.” He went on, “The risks associated with rejection of the deal are quite a bit higher than the risks associated with going forward.”

Read more: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/adam-schiff-iran-nuclear/400280/

Very glad to see Schiff get on board. It's very hard to argue with his conclusions.

Posted by geek tragedy | Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:37 AM (5 replies)

Supporting Hillary and opposing the TPP?

There's been lots of speculation as to both her position and her decision to avoid taking a public position. An obvious question is what effect this has on primary voters.

Keith Olbermann: In the Ray Rice Situation, Everyone Must Go

I was stunned to learn that they took her statement with him in the room. And they probably had their lawyer sign off on that decision.

What happened today was ass-covering, not doing the right thing.
Posted by geek tragedy | Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:39 PM (4 replies)

How Israel defines "inappropriate" and "offensive"

Not offensive: suggesting punitive rape of Palestinian women as an 'anti-terror' tactic:

A joint response with spokeswomen from Bar Ilan stated that he “did not call and is not calling to fight terror except by legal and moral means.” It also said Kedar “wanted to illustrate that there is no means of deterring suicide bombers, and using hyperbole, he gave the rape of women as an example. In order to remove all doubt: Dr. Kedar’s words do not, God forbid, contain a recommendation to commit such despicable acts. The intention was to describe the culture of death of the terror organizations. Dr. Kedar was describing the bitter reality of the Middle East and the inability of a modern and liberal law-abiding country to fight against the terror of suicide bombers.”


Offensive: expressing sympathy for war victims without excluding Palestinians from that sympathy:

Bar Ilan University students, faculty and administrators are up in arms over a law professor’s email to his students that opened with an expression of sympathy for all victims of the Israel-Gaza war, implicitly reminding them that the overwhelming majority of those victims are Gazans.


Any questions?

Israeli university rebukes professor who expressed sympathy for both Israeli, Gazan victims

Source: Haaretz

Prof. Hanoch Sheinman’s email was sent to reassure his second-year law students that because the security situation had disrupted many students’ routines, there would be an additional date scheduled for his course’s final exam. Sheinman opened the email, however, by saying that he hoped the message “finds you in a safe place, and that you, your families and those dear to you are not among the hundreds of people that were killed, the thousands wounded, or the tens of thousands whose homes were destroyed or were forced to leave their homes during, or as a direct result of, the violent confrontation in the Gaza Strip and its environs.”

Sheinman then proceeded to inform the students of the additional testing date.

Sheinman’s reference to the victims of the fighting with no reference to their national affiliation led many students to complain to the dean of the law faculty, Prof. Shahar Lifshitz, who issued an urgent message to the students yesterday. “I was shocked to learn of the email sent to you by Professor Sheinman,” Lifshitz wrote. “It was a hurtful letter, and since this morning we have been justifiably flooded with messages from students and family members, many of whom are involved during these very days in the battles in the south.”

Lifshitz added, “Both the content and the style of the letter contravene the values of the university and the law faculty. The faculty champions the values of pluralism, tolerance, and freedom of expression, but the inclusion of positions as were included in the administrative message sent by Prof. Sheinman to the students on a matter relating to exams does not fit into the framework of academic freedom or freedom of personal expression in any acceptable sense. This constitutes the inappropriate use of the power given to a lecturer to exploit the platform given to him as a law teacher to convey messages reflecting his positions, in a way that, as noted, seriously offended the students and their families.”

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.607888

Not the Onion.

Note that that expressing sympathy for Palestinians draws greater outrage in Israel than does suggesting punitive rape against Palestinian women as an anti-terrorism tactic.

Netherlands opens war crimes investigation into airliner downing

Source: Reuters (Yahoo!)

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.

The spokesman said that a Dutch public prosecutor was in Ukraine as part of the investigation.

The Dutch prime minister meanwhile threatened tough action against Russia if it did not do more to help.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/netherlands-opens-investigation-airliner-shoot-down-131650202.html

Sooner or later, Russia will have to either reject or comply with demands to extradite those responsible.

because apparently some people think this is up for debate

Based on a discussion with someone who claims the majority of the site agrees with him

simple question:

is it true, accurate, and right to say that "'no' means 'no'" or is this meme untrue, false bullshit.

And, yes, this is being debated, here, and has been for some time.
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