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Race Based Violence? Or not? You Tell Me


Police in Michigan arrested three men who are accused of viciously beating an Army veteran who objected to their racist remarks.

According to the Westland Police Department, United States Army veteran Adam Wagner went to a 7-11 convenience store at 2 a.m. Saturday morning to purchase a pack of cigarettes. Once inside, he noticed three men harassing the female clerk, and he told them to stop.

When he walked outside, the trio followed him. At this point, Wagner told police, they noticed the Army insignia on Wagner’s car and began to taunt him about the military.

“They were saying, ‘How can you be in the military when they let black people in the military?’ They used the ‘n word’, saying [he] was an ‘n-word’ lover,” Wagner’s girlfriend told WJBK.

“I took pretty, pretty good offense to that because my best friend in the army was black. He saved my life,” Wagner added.

The suspects — all of whom had shaved heads — then began to assault Wagner, punching and kicking him until he was on the ground.

Detroit Free Press Article -

The men followed the victim outside to the parking lot. The suspects noticed military insignias on the victim’s car and then began to make insulting remarks about him and the U.S. military, Jedrusik said. They began punching and kicking him.

The attackers fled on foot. The victim followed them while trying to call police, but the attackers beat him up once more, knocking him to the ground, punching and kicking him again, said police.

“They beat the heck out of him,” Jedrusik said. “They beat him pretty bad.”

They suspects may have been “either intoxicated or just causing trouble,” he said.

The victim got help from a resident who called the police. Paramedics took him to a hospital and he was released later. He suffered lacerations to his face and mouth, head injuries and a broken nose.

Just a couple of drunks out for a good time? Or racially motivated because he served in a military that allows black people to serve in it?

Maybe they felt threatened because they heard a rap song once? Maybe he bought skittles? Maybe because he laid down in the fetal position on cement/blacktop he was going to use the ground as a weapon?

Posted by JustAnotherGen | Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:21 AM (12 replies)

I'd like to wait and hear the facts

Before we jump to conclusions.

Could it have been a hate crime? Sure.

Could it have been racial prejudice? Sure.

But I would hope the same folks who were wait and see about Zimmerman will give the folks in this scenario the same benefit of the doubt they did Zimmerman. Let's Let the justice system do its job. I mean - It is flawless doncha know?

And if these guys have a good lawyer who makes the point the man was armed with a truck and was driving while white in a black neighborhood and they get off/walk - that I will see oodles of threads and posts about how justice was served.

OP - edit your post to read Dominant Culture and Racial Prejudice and you will get entirely different responses. The way you have framed the discussion raises the hackles of the average white guy in America with a professional victim mentality.
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Sat Apr 5, 2014, 06:48 AM (2 replies)

Oh well

In reading this thread it appears that Florida Law allows for the names to be released. Sunshine and stuff ya know.

The people who were angry - we've taken action. The jurors are non starters in those actions. They don't register.

The angry mobs from "the right" agreed with their decision and the angry mobs from "the left" are focused on Snowden, Manning and Greenwald.

The people who know that the ONLY name that matters here is Trayvon Martin - we could care less what either one of those angry mobs does or doesn't do. Just get out of our way when reach down and lift up a young black man who is getting treated like shit in America. Stay out of my way when I question why black little girls in Pre school and kindergarten are targeted maliciously for suspension.

Just stay out of our way - focus on your guns, your pot, your porn, your god, your guns, your flag (depending on which mob you fall into). Stay out of our way and we'll all get along just fine.
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:02 AM (1 replies)

Good throwback Thursday post Prosense

Throwback Thursday at DU is very illuminating.
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:37 PM (0 replies)

President Obama Issues New Executive Order on the Ukraine

Email notification came from treas.gov at 12:14 PM today -


Executive Order

Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, hereby expand the scope of the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13660 of March 6, 2014, and expanded by Executive Order 13661 of March 16, 2014, finding that the actions and policies of the Government of the Russian Federation, including its purported annexation of Crimea and its use of force in Ukraine, continue to undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misappropriation of its assets, and thereby constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

Accordingly, I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person (including any foreign branch) of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State:

(i) to operate in such sectors of the Russian Federation economy as may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, such as financial services, energy, metals and mining, engineering, and defense and related materiel;

(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or

(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the effective date of this order.

Sec. 2. I hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens determined to meet one or more of the criteria in section 1(a) of this order would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of such persons. Such persons shall be treated as persons covered by section 1 of Proclamation 8693 of July 24, 2011 (Suspension of Entry of Aliens Subject to United Nations Security Council Travel Bans and International Emergency Economic Powers Act Sanctions).

Sec. 3. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13660, and expanded in Executive Order 13661 and this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.

Sec. 4. The prohibitions in section 1 of this order include but are not limited to:
(a) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; and
(b) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
Sec. 5. (a) Any transaction that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, causes a violation of, or
attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
Sec. 6. For the purposes of this order:
(a) the term “person” means an individual or entity;
(b) the term “entity” means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization;
(c) the term “United States person” means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States; and
(d) the term the “Government of the Russian Federation” means the Government of the Russian Federation, any political subdivision, agency, or instrumentality thereof, including the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, and any person owned or controlled by, or acting for or on behalf of, the Government of the Russian Federation.
Sec. 7. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13660, and expanded in Executive Order 13661 and this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order.
Sec. 8. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA, as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to other officers and agencies of the United States Government consistent with applicable law.

All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order.

Sec. 9. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

March 20, 2014
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:30 PM (3 replies)

Tuesday Morning Privilege Kick for

Mr Scorpio
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:15 AM (0 replies)

I saw the post about Beyonce - was it last week?

About "I'm the Boss" or something along those lines.

While I agree with this article's general premise - I think that I would caution young black women entering a finance organization/Corporate America/a Multi-National company to embrace that 'stereotype'.

Take a look at this article as to why:


During a talk at Stanford this month titled, “Black Women and the Backlash Effect — Understanding the Intersection of Race and Gender”, Phillips said that on the whole, black women are viewed as “independent, competent, and demanding of respect in the workplace” — and that these are all considered “classic leadership traits”. It is these impressions of black women that help explain (and contribute to) some of their recent success in education and business: Two-thirds of African-American college undergrads are female. And, between 2002 and 2008, the number of businesses owned by black women rose by 19 percent — twice as fast as all other firms and generating $29 billion in sales nationwide.

Notably, some of the very racism and sexism that has fueled offensive and inaccurate representations of us in popular discourse has helped to create these impressions, and contributed to our ability to reach these new heights in academia and the workplace.

If it seems counter-intuitive, consider some context. Public attacks on black women have been leveled frequently and offensively, especially in recent months. Late last year, for example, a series of animated ‘Black Marriage Negotiations’ videos went viral, in which a black female professional presents unreasonably high standards for a mate, suggesting it is black women’s own fault for not being able to find or keep a partner.

Down a bit farther in the article:
“African-American women may not be seen as prototypical blacks, and they may not be seen as prototypical women,” Phillips said. “That invisibility might end up being something that’s helpful in allowing [them] to take on behaviors that otherwise would not be allowed. Black women may be in a unique position to, in fact, step into leadership positions, to be embraced in leadership positions.”

In fact, in her studies she found that black women turned out to be the most employable, in part because we could assume broader roles than white women without being criticized. “Black women have more ability to be forceful in the workplace without appearing threatening,” Phillips explained. And black women “have more latitude to display…dominance.”

There's another board I used to frequent and the convo was robust enough that I save that link to that article.

Certainly in romantic relationships and general perception of black women - I think the stereotypes of us well - suck. Melissa Harris Perry really nailed it in her book - those archetypes and how America needs to shift it's vision and accept that it's dominant culture projection - not the reality of who we are. At the same time, she challenged black women to address those stereotypes we've embraced within.

I think her challenging of The Help (both the book and the movie) as well as Dr. Corny (tee hee) showed me that she walks the talk. While women in America applauded The Help - she addressed how 'sick' it made us feel. Here at a time when the first lady is a Black Woman - why? Why now? And well - Dr. Corny West wants her to sit down and shut up - and she still hasn't.

I don't know that one of the Fox Channel's Vixens would have her job still if she behaved as absolutely defiantly as Harris Perry does. Or - as another comparison on the intersection of perception of a woman - Rachel Maddow.

I've never seen a young black female intern or new hire 'raise her hand' in a meeting. When I joined the large telecom I work at now - I inherited someone else's fresh out of S.U. new hire. She was Caucasian, very pretty, EXTREMELY intelligent - and she raised her hand in a meeting. . It was almost as if she was asking permission to be there in that room full of men and me - and I shared that with her. I.E. Don't do that L.

She let's call her "L" considers me a mentor to this day - as does an intern-to-hire (let's call her D) I had the following summer. I went to lunch with them on 'bonus day' - took all of my mentees out. Male and female of several different races and nationalities. We had a robust convo about some feedback L go in her review - she and D now work on the same team in Marketing.

They both behave/act in the same way as they went to the justanothergen school of how to succeed in telecom. I told her - god help me - don't back down. But I find it surprising that D displays 'strong leadership skills' and L displayed 'arrogance'.

So how do we make it acceptable for white women to embrace these behaviors and still be viewed as strong leaders?

Yeah - I'm the boss - and I'm a trophy wife (that's a nod to personal relationships - another discussion) - that article also talks about the perception of black women as romantic partners and how success impacts are choices in men. Ironically - I'm married to a man that is an immigrant from another country - and white - where assertiveness and strength are highly sought after traits.

Getting a little off track and target but this could be a really interesting discussion to have at DU. I don't want to be left behind by white feminists - and being a person of honor - I don't want to leave white women behind or women of ANY race that want to reach for the brass ring. I can only do so much 'in house' - but what can we do to promote, mentor, guide, and support each other in obtaining leadership positions?
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Sat Mar 15, 2014, 05:49 PM (1 replies)

kick rec

To help a DUer out!
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:21 PM (0 replies)

Do what you gotta do to survive here

I've got a few folks on my IL for a very different reason than this - but it's amazing how much more enjoyable DU is when people you cannot relate to AT ALL Disappear.

Psst - I didn't see anything alertable in this post I'm responding to. But someone did. *sigh*
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Tue Mar 4, 2014, 12:00 PM (1 replies)

My Brother's Keeper - Initiative for Young Black Men

Obama Starts Initiative for Young Black Men, Noting His Own Experience

So many recent discussions and yet nothing gets to the heart of that matter as much as this . . .
“We just assume this is an inevitable part of American life, instead of the outrage that it is,” Mr. Obama told an audience of business leaders, politicians, philanthropists, young black men from a Chicago support program, and Mr. Martin’s parents. “It’s like a cultural backdrop for us in movies, in television. We just assume, of course it’s going to be like that.”

“These statistics should break our hearts,” he added. “And they should compel us to act.”

More -
Mr. Obama’s remarks come as the end of his time in office is in sight, with the president mindful of the legacy that his administration will leave behind on race and other civil rights issues like same-sex marriage and immigration. Mr. Obama has embraced the right of gay men and lesbians to marry, and Eric H. Holder Jr., his attorney general, has aggressively sought to ensure that all eligible Americans have access to the ballot box.

Although Mr. Obama nods on occasion to his history-making status as the nation’s first black president, he has sought to avoid being defined entirely by his race. He most often emphasizes that he is the leader of all Americans. But in recent years, the president has spoken more about the black experience in the United States — most strikingly after the death of Mr. Martin, when Mr. Obama said, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon

On Thursday, the president combined his personal remarks on race with a broader call to focus on “the larger agenda”: economic insecurity and stalled mobility for Americans of any color. “The plain fact is there are some Americans who, in the aggregate, are consistently doing worse in our society,” Mr. Obama said, “groups that have had the odds stacked against them in unique ways that require unique solutions, groups who’ve seen fewer opportunities that have spanned generations.”

I wonder if he reads DU?

So how will you get involved? I figured it if I put this elsewhere it would dissolve into stupidity about how "no one ever gave me nothing" diatribes so instead - what can those in the know and with the heart to bring change do to shift this constant reality (shameful one as far as I'm concerned) in America?


Understanding The Problem
The data proves it: Boys and young men of color — regardless of where they come from — are disproportionately at risk from their youngest years through college and the early stages of their professional lives.

•By the time they hit fourth grade, 86 percent of African American boys and 82 percent Hispanic boys are reading below proficiency levels — compared to 54 percent of white fourth graders reading below proficiency levels.

•African American and Hispanic young men are more than six times as likely to be victims of murder than their white peers — and account for almost half of the country's murder victims each year.
Posted by JustAnotherGen | Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:00 AM (0 replies)
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