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May 1, 2015
So those who believed him yesterday - do you believe him today?
ETA - Grassy Knoll posted a direct link to WBAL in the Video forum- http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017262775
Donta Allen - man in police van with Mr Gray refutes WaPo story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/donta-allen-freddie-gray-_n_7186288.htmlGray was already in the van when cops arrested Allen on stealing accusations. Because of a barrier dividing the rear of the police van into two sections, Allen didn't see Gray and initially didn't realize that there was another passenger inside the vehicle.
"There's no place where a man can hurt himself in there," Allen said.
The Washington Post story that cited the police document immediately came under attack by other reporters, such as WBAL's Jayna Miller, who has reported Gray was unresponsive when police locked him inside the van.
Allen on Thursday distanced himself from what investigators say he told them.
"I told homicide that. I don't work for the police," he said in the WBAL interview. "I did not tell the police nothing."
"There's no place where a man can hurt himself in there," Allen said.
The Washington Post story that cited the police document immediately came under attack by other reporters, such as WBAL's Jayna Miller, who has reported Gray was unresponsive when police locked him inside the van.
Allen on Thursday distanced himself from what investigators say he told them.
"I told homicide that. I don't work for the police," he said in the WBAL interview. "I did not tell the police nothing."
So those who believed him yesterday - do you believe him today?
ETA - Grassy Knoll posted a direct link to WBAL in the Video forum- http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017262775
April 30, 2015
So interesting in light of the events in Baltimore this week
I wonder what Rummy (a nod to The Boondocks) thinks of that CVS store that was all the rage at DU a few nights ago?
April 24, 2015
The Racial Divide inflamed to epic levels
No - the last gasp of white supremacy in the US. 
I'm not talking about people on the Left - I'm not talking about US!
Those people over there on the right?
Been foaming at their mouths for 45 years now. This is their last stand. They are gonna lose. Because my 21 year old niece is the 'new' America - black, white/native father - puerto rican/dominican mother.
That's the new America - and they HAAAAAAAATE it. They created the divide - not Obama. If they weren't so filled with hate and misery about times that need to be soon forgotten well . . .
April 20, 2015
Should the US help Save These People? - Italy, Migrants, and Libya - some things to consider
I know we have Italian Nationals and American Expats in Italy at DU who are hip deep in the situation with the migrants every day - but I thought perhaps we could have a discussion regarding the Migrant situation apart from the emotional/silent threads.
A few things -
On February 15th Italy closed its embassy in Libya.
Italy has a long history with Libya - they were once an Italian colony (that adds layers to the relationship).
The Fed Gov is relatively filled with newbies - they are pretty much untested. And that was good thing for the people of Italy in terms of their internal interests.
Many of the mandatory military service era have recently 'aged' out. This leaves them with fewer soldiers and fewer soldiers with the experience in Africa - as it is now a volunteer service. In my husband's family - only one person is serving with 20 years - and he's Navy.
Renzi (the Prime Minister) initially called for a intervention in Libya - but then back tracked when no other country volunteered to lead the effort.
About two years ago - due to the Austerity - the Italian Military budget was cut by 40%. We can't think 'ground troops'and air force - we have to think Navy AND Coast Guard as well. There was supposed to be a large by of F-35 jets - that has not happened. They just aren't prepared to go in balls to the walls in Libya. On home turf yes - but abroad nope.
Where some of the migrant boats are sinking - it's about 70 miles off the coast of Libya. There was also an incident at the end of March where the Coast Guard was fired at by Traffickers trying to get back their cheap flimsy boat. It's assumed they hauled the non sea worthy vessel back to wherever they came from to reload it and try again. These traffickers are not in good faith people - they aren't nice guys and they don't play patty cake.
The "Northern League" (a far right political party) is spouting off nonsense about ISIS invading Italy and getting people worked up over that. They also have this approach of - We should be helping but not allowing them to disembark in Italy.
Finally this weekend France and several other countries leadership - Finally stepped up to the plate and at least said - we need a summit/meeting to discuss.
Doesn't mean the problem is going to get solved - seems like they want to just have a discussion about the problem without real solutions.
So what are the solutions? Would we as Americans be willing to send troops to Libya as part of a UN Mission? Or have we done enough damage in North Africa and the Middle East? If brought to the UN - would we be willing to fund a rescue mission that when it was effective cost Italy approximately 12 Million per month?
I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept that the internal issues of Libya are causing migrants from across that part of the world to flood Southern Europe's shores. One of the folks interviewed from last nights (4/19) disaster was from Bangladesh. Is the answer to only allow in minors and those who can prove persecution? That with the understanding that there will be a global financial initiative to assist the landing countries with the processing and more important . .. the basic needs of all human beings?
There is a great deal of hand wringing going on around the world (not DU focused). At some point we need to acknowledge the 'this is so sad' came from the Arab Spring.
Thoughts anyone? What would you call your Senators or Member of the House and say if you could?
March 17, 2015
Note: For Harriet is an online community contributor ezine whose target demo is black women.
I grabbed the second half of this fairly brief opinion piece. The focus of the first half is the case of the young girl beat in Baltimore late last year. I think they may have pushed this op ed back up to the top of their feed in light of the well publicized case in Brooklyn.
My point in sharing this - is that it starts within the community. Not just the behavior but the sharing of the behavior. Once again we have become the focus of a group of people who know very little about us.
Now once again - This is all they know. This case and the Baltimore case. So they are going to jump on this opportunity (the Brooklyn case) to show some sort of 'concern' that I *think* (only think until proven wrong) they wouldn't be concerned about if it had been several white folks either beating on a black girl or a white girl.
Notice, in the same weekend I saw a dehumanizing of the young women who beat the young lady in Brooklyn - I saw this extreme empathy for two white female tweeners in the midwest who had actually stabbed someone (google Slender Man Stabbing) because they will be tried as adults.
Google Brooklyn McDonalds Beating and Google Slender Man Stabbing - read the comments.
And I disagree with Tyga (who as I understand it upon research is a rapper dating an underage girl) - as did the author of the OP ED. We are there - we exist as role models . . . but it's hard to get America to view us as such - and the media to prop us up as such.
Read more: http://www.forharriet.com/2014/11/why-we-need-to-stop-sharing-videos-of.html#ixzz3UfY0cKPM
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What we did get - was yet another White Male Right Wing Talking Head spouting off nonsense about us. Probably has never even had a black person into his home for dinner - yet has all kinds of nonsense to talk - becaus it's ALL he knows. . .
http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/16/white-texas-talk-show-host-uses-brooklyn-mcdonalds-beating-as-opportunity-to-say-nasty-things-about-black-people/
White Texas Talk Show Host Uses Brooklyn McDonald’s Beating As Opportunity to Say Nasty Things About Black People
Savages - absolute savages.
You shouldn't need to google too far to find that word/those words being used to describe black suspects on a regular basis.
Another snippet from the Atlanta Black Star Article:
Funny that. . .
Hey I'm all for free speech - but what can we do to squash:
The behavior.
The recording of the behavior.
The posting of the behavior.
The attention paid to bad behavior.
I truly believe America is an extremely violent country.It's how we started and it's how we'll always be. However - what can we do bring some connections between young black woman - the softness they all hold within - nurture it - and get them to connect? And does our behavior as adults and mentors both in real life and in online environments - how does it prop them up? How can we prop them up?
From: For Harriet "We Need to Stop Sharing Videos of Black Girls In Fights"
******Posted in the African American Group******Note: For Harriet is an online community contributor ezine whose target demo is black women.
I grabbed the second half of this fairly brief opinion piece. The focus of the first half is the case of the young girl beat in Baltimore late last year. I think they may have pushed this op ed back up to the top of their feed in light of the well publicized case in Brooklyn.
My point in sharing this - is that it starts within the community. Not just the behavior but the sharing of the behavior. Once again we have become the focus of a group of people who know very little about us.
Now once again - This is all they know. This case and the Baltimore case. So they are going to jump on this opportunity (the Brooklyn case) to show some sort of 'concern' that I *think* (only think until proven wrong) they wouldn't be concerned about if it had been several white folks either beating on a black girl or a white girl.
Notice, in the same weekend I saw a dehumanizing of the young women who beat the young lady in Brooklyn - I saw this extreme empathy for two white female tweeners in the midwest who had actually stabbed someone (google Slender Man Stabbing) because they will be tried as adults.
Google Brooklyn McDonalds Beating and Google Slender Man Stabbing - read the comments.
And I disagree with Tyga (who as I understand it upon research is a rapper dating an underage girl) - as did the author of the OP ED. We are there - we exist as role models . . . but it's hard to get America to view us as such - and the media to prop us up as such.
The issue here is that while it’s idiotic to fight, the thousands of videos adorning Black girls throwing bows or beating another girl down feed the idea that we’re violent, aggressive, and angry. Worse, watching one (or more) video automatically breeds another because in a teenager’s mind, having Internet fame is everything. Additionally, enough consumption of violence desensitizes one to it, making it easy to watch, or worse, reenact.
Studies have shown that “exposure to violent media results in a blunting of emotional responses, which in turn may prevent the connection of consequences of aggression with an appropriate emotional response, and therefore may increase the likelihood that aggression is seen as acceptable behavior.”
When Black girls see variations of themselves in a less than positive light, i.e. fight videos, it can be easy for them to have a poor self-image and set lower standards for themselves. They can be confused about how they should act, especially when it comes to tense, stressful, or confrontational situations. And while it may seem fun and harmless at the time, being recorded while viciously beating the life out of someone else – while solo or in a group – could warrant years of unwanted attention, unemployment, and possible jail time. Five of the girls involved in the attack, whose names were not released, have been arrested.
Tyga had the nerve to say that there aren’t a lot of real role models for Black “females” to look up to. He’s wrong. There’s a plethora of Black women out here consciously serving as healthy examples for our daughters. But these videos circulating the web make it harder for teenagers to look up to them.
Please, stop sharing fight videos. Instead, share positive representations of Black women, so our girls can aspire to someone more worthy of their respect than the likes of Sharkeisha.
Studies have shown that “exposure to violent media results in a blunting of emotional responses, which in turn may prevent the connection of consequences of aggression with an appropriate emotional response, and therefore may increase the likelihood that aggression is seen as acceptable behavior.”
When Black girls see variations of themselves in a less than positive light, i.e. fight videos, it can be easy for them to have a poor self-image and set lower standards for themselves. They can be confused about how they should act, especially when it comes to tense, stressful, or confrontational situations. And while it may seem fun and harmless at the time, being recorded while viciously beating the life out of someone else – while solo or in a group – could warrant years of unwanted attention, unemployment, and possible jail time. Five of the girls involved in the attack, whose names were not released, have been arrested.
Tyga had the nerve to say that there aren’t a lot of real role models for Black “females” to look up to. He’s wrong. There’s a plethora of Black women out here consciously serving as healthy examples for our daughters. But these videos circulating the web make it harder for teenagers to look up to them.
Please, stop sharing fight videos. Instead, share positive representations of Black women, so our girls can aspire to someone more worthy of their respect than the likes of Sharkeisha.
Read more: http://www.forharriet.com/2014/11/why-we-need-to-stop-sharing-videos-of.html#ixzz3UfY0cKPM
Follow us: @ForHarriet on Twitter | forharriet on Facebook
What we did get - was yet another White Male Right Wing Talking Head spouting off nonsense about us. Probably has never even had a black person into his home for dinner - yet has all kinds of nonsense to talk - becaus it's ALL he knows. . .
http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/16/white-texas-talk-show-host-uses-brooklyn-mcdonalds-beating-as-opportunity-to-say-nasty-things-about-black-people/
White Texas Talk Show Host Uses Brooklyn McDonald’s Beating As Opportunity to Say Nasty Things About Black People
“We have people living in our country who are savages. Absolutely, positively savages, to engage in this kind of behavior,” Berry said, making it clear he’s talking about Black people. “The whole McDonald’s is full, they’re loving it.”
Berry’s comments came as the girls who were allegedly involved in the beating and apparent robbery surrendered to authorities one-by-one over the weekend. New York police said yesterday only one of the six teenage girls who took part in the attack is still at large. The beating has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times after being posted to YouTube.
Berry’s comments came as the girls who were allegedly involved in the beating and apparent robbery surrendered to authorities one-by-one over the weekend. New York police said yesterday only one of the six teenage girls who took part in the attack is still at large. The beating has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times after being posted to YouTube.
Savages - absolute savages.
You shouldn't need to google too far to find that word/those words being used to describe black suspects on a regular basis.
Another snippet from the Atlanta Black Star Article:
One of the girls, who is just 14, was removed from an airplane at an international terminal at Atlanta’s airport, reportedly on a plane bound for her native Jamaica. Bail for the purported leader of the attack, Aniah Ferguson, 16, who was arrested on Thursday on charges of robbery and assault in the second degree, was set at $500,000, according to local media.
With the regularity of a clock, you can predict that some white conservative will use the occasion of a Black person committing a crime against another Black person to loudly cry about Black-on-Black crime. They reach for it with obvious glee, claiming that it’s a more serious matter in America than crimes committed against Black people by white racists or white police officers targeting young Black males. This is a favorite tactic of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani,
With the regularity of a clock, you can predict that some white conservative will use the occasion of a Black person committing a crime against another Black person to loudly cry about Black-on-Black crime. They reach for it with obvious glee, claiming that it’s a more serious matter in America than crimes committed against Black people by white racists or white police officers targeting young Black males. This is a favorite tactic of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani,
Funny that. . .
Hey I'm all for free speech - but what can we do to squash:
The behavior.
The recording of the behavior.
The posting of the behavior.
The attention paid to bad behavior.
I truly believe America is an extremely violent country.It's how we started and it's how we'll always be. However - what can we do bring some connections between young black woman - the softness they all hold within - nurture it - and get them to connect? And does our behavior as adults and mentors both in real life and in online environments - how does it prop them up? How can we prop them up?
February 10, 2015
Ability to call each other illiterate as long as I'm a credentialist
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It's kind of good he can't pop in and delete it . . .
ETA: Just in case he can - Let's get a record - since the religion of Born Again Chicken causes some to just post/insult/delete.
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January 19, 2015
Black on Black crime is distorted
Thank you for this. It goes in my journal for the next time some troll intrudes on DU and gets past a few posts to show just how much of an ass wipe they are!
January 16, 2015
Hi - welcome to DU - Saving for example holly moon
holly moon.
9. It's actually a terrible, destructive policy.
Since slavery ended 150 years ago, it makes no sense for this current generation to get special treatment if they do not have what it takes. I understand that there is prejudice when trying to get a job. But if everyone were pink, there would still be ageism, sexism, and all the other ISMs that favor one over the other.
Some BP have always had a better attitude than others, even during Jim Crow. Not surprisingly, they were able to succeed when it seemed "impossible." Others are on constant
If you are Black and are at a company where they were forced to hire you, is that a good vibe to surround yourself with? Even for the money, it seems rather whorish. I would rather see more BP start businesses than waiting for Whitie to give them the time of day...
9. It's actually a terrible, destructive policy.
Since slavery ended 150 years ago, it makes no sense for this current generation to get special treatment if they do not have what it takes. I understand that there is prejudice when trying to get a job. But if everyone were pink, there would still be ageism, sexism, and all the other ISMs that favor one over the other.
Some BP have always had a better attitude than others, even during Jim Crow. Not surprisingly, they were able to succeed when it seemed "impossible." Others are on constant
If you are Black and are at a company where they were forced to hire you, is that a good vibe to surround yourself with? Even for the money, it seems rather whorish. I would rather see more BP start businesses than waiting for Whitie to give them the time of day...
January 12, 2015
He made it all the way to November of this year with his 80 posts. Seems like he joined in August of 2013. . .
This one is so much better though . . .
the discussion thread: O'Mara: George Zimmerman will ask state to cover $200K-$300K of his legal bills [View all]
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #24)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:12 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=577176
Oh by the way - did you know that the Medical Examiner was told to shut up even though he had proof that Zimmerman was the aggressor?
At minimum - if not outright 'defending' - then - he certainly spent his time here as a whiny little snot didn't he? Oh the POUTrage that someone doesn't like the Zimpig! Ohhhhhhhhhhhh the manateeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I'm surprised that second one which was pretty insulting to the poster wasn't hidden. He obviously was so upset that someone thought Zimmie was too wet to step on and too low to kick that he needed the smelling salts.
I'm surprised you missed this post of someone point defending and justifying the Zimpigs shooting
PorridgeGun (80 posts)
249. Dancing around the actual facts and sticking your heads in the sand isn't going to get you very far
GZ had bleeding contusions on the back of his head from hitting the concrete sidewalk. He was bleeding from his nose and likely had a closed fracture, along with numerous other minor lacerations. UNderstand?
Zimmerman was the only one with injuries consistent with being physical assaulted, get it?
There was not a shred of evidence that Trayvon had started out as the victim of Zimmermans aggressions, not even the sort of light bruising that would result from a hard shove or the dna under the fingernails and on the hands that commonly results from defensive parry. Are you with me so far? And yes, I know, there are people stupid enough to believe that Trayvon not having Z's DNA under his nails goes against Zimmerman, but we understand differently now, don't we?
Ohh.. someone hit their head on the concrete just once and got knocked cold? Oh wait, no, it has nothing to do with that. He was knocked senseless by the first punch and likely fell to the ground limp. That certainly will ring your bell, but it has about as much to do with the Zimmerman case as the particulars of Mike Tysons last fight.
Next you'll be telling me about the guy that died after being hit by one punch, so how could zimmerman even have been alive to fire the shot? OMG! VAMPIRE!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023645749#post249
249. Dancing around the actual facts and sticking your heads in the sand isn't going to get you very far
GZ had bleeding contusions on the back of his head from hitting the concrete sidewalk. He was bleeding from his nose and likely had a closed fracture, along with numerous other minor lacerations. UNderstand?
Zimmerman was the only one with injuries consistent with being physical assaulted, get it?
There was not a shred of evidence that Trayvon had started out as the victim of Zimmermans aggressions, not even the sort of light bruising that would result from a hard shove or the dna under the fingernails and on the hands that commonly results from defensive parry. Are you with me so far? And yes, I know, there are people stupid enough to believe that Trayvon not having Z's DNA under his nails goes against Zimmerman, but we understand differently now, don't we?
Ohh.. someone hit their head on the concrete just once and got knocked cold? Oh wait, no, it has nothing to do with that. He was knocked senseless by the first punch and likely fell to the ground limp. That certainly will ring your bell, but it has about as much to do with the Zimmerman case as the particulars of Mike Tysons last fight.
Next you'll be telling me about the guy that died after being hit by one punch, so how could zimmerman even have been alive to fire the shot? OMG! VAMPIRE!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023645749#post249
He made it all the way to November of this year with his 80 posts. Seems like he joined in August of 2013. . .
This one is so much better though . . .
the discussion thread: O'Mara: George Zimmerman will ask state to cover $200K-$300K of his legal bills [View all]
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #24)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:12 AM
PorridgeGun (80 posts)
70. Fact is? Oh dear..
Fact is, Z is not guilty of murder in anywhere other than your imagination. He never was, and should never have been charged.
Sorry assed jury?
Fact is, you'd rather make defamatory comments about people you don't know and have never met rather than admit that the 6 people who found him unanimously not guilty might have had a more even handed perspective on the thing than you can manage.
Fact is, there is no evidence zimmerman "stalked" Trayvon. Sorry, getting out of your car to see what someone who has just disappeared behind a row of houses might be up to is not "stalking" by any sane definition of the term.
Fact is, it was the unhinged, emotionally hysterical reactions to the case that prompted an unscrupulous but politically cunning prosecutor with a history of overcharging defendants to put on a show trial at enormous taxpayer expense.
Fact is. you are on to something when you cite the self defense laws, but you. like many commenters on here, are unable to get your minds off of demonizing zimmy, the jury and anyone who disagrees with you long enough to have a positive impact on that issue.
Fact is, Zimmy is a mediocrity who represents the attitudes and views of a very large swath of middle american men around his age. He was emboldened SYG to get out of his car when he should have stayed put. These laws create new Zimmermans by the tens of thousands and the focus should have been on them from the beginning rather on ridiculous attempts to paint Z as a "bigot" when, yet again, there is no evidence he is/was and some evidence to the contrary.
If people were willing to spend the amount of time and energy getting these laws amended or repealed that they've spent shrieking anti-zimmerman invectives over the internet and airwaves we might have seen some positive change on the issue.
If you're true to form you'll now accuse me of being a Zimmerman supporter despite the fact I've made it clear I believe he f&^ked up by not staying put, which is the problem. If this case has screwed with your mind to the point where you cannot brook any disagreement without spouting hysterical, defamatory drivel, perhaps you should take a break.
70. Fact is? Oh dear..
Fact is, Z is not guilty of murder in anywhere other than your imagination. He never was, and should never have been charged.
Sorry assed jury?
Fact is, you'd rather make defamatory comments about people you don't know and have never met rather than admit that the 6 people who found him unanimously not guilty might have had a more even handed perspective on the thing than you can manage.
Fact is, there is no evidence zimmerman "stalked" Trayvon. Sorry, getting out of your car to see what someone who has just disappeared behind a row of houses might be up to is not "stalking" by any sane definition of the term.
Fact is, it was the unhinged, emotionally hysterical reactions to the case that prompted an unscrupulous but politically cunning prosecutor with a history of overcharging defendants to put on a show trial at enormous taxpayer expense.
Fact is. you are on to something when you cite the self defense laws, but you. like many commenters on here, are unable to get your minds off of demonizing zimmy, the jury and anyone who disagrees with you long enough to have a positive impact on that issue.
Fact is, Zimmy is a mediocrity who represents the attitudes and views of a very large swath of middle american men around his age. He was emboldened SYG to get out of his car when he should have stayed put. These laws create new Zimmermans by the tens of thousands and the focus should have been on them from the beginning rather on ridiculous attempts to paint Z as a "bigot" when, yet again, there is no evidence he is/was and some evidence to the contrary.
If people were willing to spend the amount of time and energy getting these laws amended or repealed that they've spent shrieking anti-zimmerman invectives over the internet and airwaves we might have seen some positive change on the issue.
If you're true to form you'll now accuse me of being a Zimmerman supporter despite the fact I've made it clear I believe he f&^ked up by not staying put, which is the problem. If this case has screwed with your mind to the point where you cannot brook any disagreement without spouting hysterical, defamatory drivel, perhaps you should take a break.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=577176
Oh by the way - did you know that the Medical Examiner was told to shut up even though he had proof that Zimmerman was the aggressor?
At minimum - if not outright 'defending' - then - he certainly spent his time here as a whiny little snot didn't he? Oh the POUTrage that someone doesn't like the Zimpig! Ohhhhhhhhhhhh the manateeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I'm surprised that second one which was pretty insulting to the poster wasn't hidden. He obviously was so upset that someone thought Zimmie was too wet to step on and too low to kick that he needed the smelling salts.
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