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Bernie Sanders Post Cnn Debate Interview With Chris Matthews (youtube)

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:33 PM (4 replies)

This is really a good post on reddit

It's basically how I feel. I think Hillary was the stronger debater.
It doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind. Bernie believes
what he says she does not.

It is striking to see that the front page of this subreddit is filled up with references to Bernie winning last night's debate as measured by 11 person focus groups and CNN online "live debate polling".

Cut it out. I'm a Bernie supporter, and he didn't win the debate last night. Hillary did. It's not the end of the world. I think there are some big takeaways from this debate that will allow us to adjust our message and tactics going forward, but please, let's not peddle a narrative that makes us seem completely out of touch.

Let's just take a quick look at the sort of evidence present on this subreddit illustrating Bernie won the debate:

First, the "focus" groups indicating Bernie won. Apparently there were three. I clicked on the most upvoted one. There were 11 people. They were all 18-34 year olds. If that's what we have to go on to indicate Bernie won, let's just stop.

Second, the "Who won the debate polls?" There's this unspoken knowledge that we all hit those polls hard (they were posted numerous times in this subreddit of 120,000), almost unanimously voted for Sanders regardless of what we actually thought of the debate, and then we reference those same polls as legitimate measures of how the debate went and complain about the MSM saying Hillary won in the face of those polls.

The Reality

Hillary won quite clearly. While Bernie got off to a rough start, getting hit on guns and appearing off guard of foreign policy, Hillary seemed extremely well prepared for even the toughest issues she faces (emails, Iraq vote). She performed really, really strongly. She didn't seem too aggressive, but was certainly forceful, and appeared very knowledgeable on the issues. As such, she was able to allay fears that she was unexciting, and potentially a crumbling candidate.

Bernie, meanwhile, drew a lot of the same rhetoric from his stump speech, but failed to articulate why his vision was more compelling when Hillary would respond with things like "I too, have a tuition-free college plan, and mine is even more feasible." On the hallmark progressive issues of Bernie's campaign (criminal justice reform, social welfare programs, paid family and medical leave, wealth and income inequality, better education systems), Hillary essentially agreed and gave a "more polished" response. Other issues where distinctions should have been much more clear, they were also not (i.e. single payer, campaign finance).

O'Malley perfomed well, but it likely wasn't a breakout performance. Chafee and Webb are done.

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:31 AM (4 replies)

Watch Bernie Sanders help save reporter Andrea Mitchell from a ‘dangerous situation’

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:57 AM (5 replies)

Focus Group Says Sanders Was Big Winner at Democratic Debate

I know it's Fox but...

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:53 AM (2 replies)

Ed Schultz on Bernie Sanders #DemDebate (short video)

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:43 AM (2 replies)

The First Democratic Party Debate for the 2016 Election Live Now (Bernie2016TV)

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:32 PM (0 replies)

On Debate Night, Sanders’ Online Army Is Ready for Battle

Culver says the goal of Debate With Bernie is to make it easier for followers to spread Sanders’ messages to their own networks. “We saw how well he did during the Republican debates, and thought this would be a great way to amplify his message,” Culver says.

Meanwhile, over on the ever-growing Sanders for President subreddit, which now has 115,000 subscribers, Aidan King and his fellow moderators will be hosting a mega-thread devoted to the debate. Other members will transcribe all the questions and answers and translate them into Spanish. King has also been working in the lead-up to the debate to encourage followers to sign up for one of 4,000 debate watch parties happening across the country. The goal is to transform people from “armchair activists” into actual activists. “That’s been our biggest mission the last two weeks,” says King, who helped start the Sanders subreddit, “to get people to back up their words and say, ‘I’ll be here on this day and I’ll volunteer and put in hours on the ground and hours at the desk.'”

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Tue Oct 13, 2015, 07:29 PM (1 replies)

Nurses March for Bernie Sanders in Vegas (Live Bernie2016TV)

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:20 PM (1 replies)

Website that monitors and streams sentiment of tweets about Sanders and Hillary for tonight's debate


This guy says he made it today.
Posted by leftcoastmountains | Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:11 PM (7 replies)

Data and graphs made available by Google here:

Posted by leftcoastmountains | Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:47 PM (4 replies)
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