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Why Hillary Clinton supporters are their own worst enemies, or the Emperors New Clothes

Although I am a strong Bernie Sanders supporter at the beginning of February I was a nominal Clinton supporter. I admit I supporter her solely on name recognition. Another part of was that I believed the talking points about Sanders set forth in the media. Most of my information came from an African American blog I frequent. Like the other members of the blog, I fell for the "Bernie is racist", Bernie hates Obama", and the the whole Bernie Bros talking point. One of my Facebook friends posted a comment conflating Sanders with Trump, saying that both their supporters were stupid and bad at math. I dislike Trump by default, so I wasn't bothered by his comments toward Trump, but like the towns people in the story the "Emperor's New Clothes", I didn't want to be thought of as a great fool so I support Clinton, even though I had concerns about her foreign policy.

Then I visited Democratic Underground after a long hiatus. I visited the General discussion Primaries forum in order to get up to speed in order to vote in my state's primary on Super Tuesday. While reading the forum I saw many of the attacks on Sanders were ridiculous. One that stood out for me was first the Clinton supporters were attacking Sanders because they said he didn't raise money for Democrats. The when it was found that he participated in Democratic party fundraising, the Clinton supporters attacked him for that as well.

Then there were the reaction of Clinton supporters to the post by Sanders supporters to Clinton's foreign foreign. Foreign policy is very important to me, because I have a degree in foreign affairs. The dismissive attitude of a considerable segment of Clinton supporters to well sources post about Iraq, Libya, and Honduras enraged me. the last straw was when I saw some Clinton supporters post laughing smilies in response to post about Iraq and Libya. I was very angry at their lack of decorum in face of wars that left scars across the Middle East, left millions dead, and led to the raise of ISIS. It was also disrespectful to veterans of the Iraq war like my dad. I can't support anyone whose supporters are like that.

Then I read the New York Times articles on Hillary's Clinton's role in the Libya regime change. Not only did she had a key role in getting President Obama to agree to regime change, but once it turned out to be a disaster she refused to take responsibility while at the same time she cites her experience as a key reason to vote for her.

It turns out it was when I was a nominal Clinton supporter that I was the great fool. I let the lies of the media mislead me.

Everybody Says Don't

Like everyone else here I was very upset at the primary result last Tuesday. Then the song called "Everybody Says Don't" from Stephen Sondheim's "Anyone Can Whistle," started going through my head. It makes me think of what Bernie Sanders is trying to do, trying to make a fairer American even when it seems impossible and everybody is indeed saying don't. Until I came to the Bernie Sanders Group I didn't feel like I had a voice, like I had the authority to as a lyric in the song "laugh at the kings," the political establishment in society.

This is my favorite segment of the song:

Everybody says no,
Everybody says stop.
Everybody says mustn't rock the boat,
Mustn't touch a thing!
Everybody says don't,
Everybody says wait,
Everybody says can't fight city hall,
Can't upset the cart,
Can't laugh at the king!
Well, I
Laugh at the kings or they'll make you cry.
Fall if you have to,
But lady, make a noise!

The song is right we can not be afraid to laugh at the kings aka the political establishment. The only reason politicans have the legitimacy to govern is because of we the people. They have no legitimacy in themselves. We have to use our voices to get the political establishment to work for the people.

We need to stop letting the Republicans off the hook for Trump.

Democrats are very forgiving, the problem is the Republicans are not. I think some Democrats are letting the Republican party off the hook for their role in the rise of Donal Trump. Don't forget it the Republican party is Trump. The Republican party dog whistles are the same racial issues that Trump trumpets. The Republican party is Dr. Frankstein and Trump is the monster that they lost control of.

The Republican party is the Ego while Trump is the Id, it has become clear that the Id has taken over the Id. We have to hammer the Republican party on Trump, don't let them get away with not taking responsibility for Trumps rise.

Please don't Hillarysplain to me

There seems to be a lot of complaining of Bernie Sanders supporters Berniesplaing to people of color. This is propaganda, the Clinton campaign and the media are using this to silence Bernie and his supporters from getting Bernie's message out.

If they are calling Bernie and his supporters merely campaigning as Berniesplaining, I am going to call out the Hillarysplaining. I am a young African American Female in my 30s. I am tired of Clinton supporters saying I don't know my own mind or that I am sexist because I support Bernie Sanders. Bernie supporters are called Bernie Bros, cult members, Chinese Cultural Revolution guard members, cyber bullies, and so on. They keep on saying that we want ponies, rainbow, and unicorns, and that we are not serious. Hillary supporters demand respect from us, but they don't give us respect. They dismiss us, but they demand our vote.

All Bernie Sanders supporters want is a fairer country, and we believe Bernie Sanders is the best person for the job, that is our right, and we deserve respect.

I can not support Hillary Clinton, because I believe she will led us into another large, long term war. I believe our republic will be in danger is another war is fought. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who I believe will not led our country to war.

Yes, how dare we criticize powerful politicians

If you visit the General Discussion: Primaries forum, there is a post about Howard Dean saying that Bernie Sanders supporters are cyberbullies for criticizing Hillary Clinton. How dare those Bernie supporters criticize powerful politicians what do they think this is a democracy?

Calling Sanders supporters cyberbullies for criticizing Hillary Clinton is ridiculous. The Sanders supporters are simply regular people while she is a powerful politician. Feudalism is over, we no longer owe homage to our feudal lord.

In a democracy the people are sovereign. Our elected officials gain legitimacy from our votes, they are not legitimate in themselves. Politicians are suppose to work for us and not the other way around.

It is apparently fine for Dean for Hillary and her supports to say anything they want while Bernie supports need to brought to Heel. Dean is chilling speech with his comment, and very authoritarian.
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