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Since Republicans are suddenly fans of grave dancing...

Remember how they think MS-13 is some sort of existential threat to the United States?

Remember the President with the policies in the US and Latin America, El Salvador in particular, that gave rise to MS-13?

Remember the President Republicans practically deify (After Trump now)?

So who created MS-13?

"___ CREATED MS-13!"

Let's all say it together!

Worth it!

I'm not just on DU, I also edit Wikipedia.

And did you know that there was not even a category on white nationalist terrorism until yesterday? The thing that Trump tells America to go to sleep over? I made it, oh and I populated it... it was ugly, and it reveals some ugly truths. My personal policy is I don't get into edit wars, if people want to remove pages from categories I put them in, they can do it and I won't stop them.

Apparently that personal policy wasn't enough to protect me as I was put in editing jail for a while for my 'radical' and 'disruptive' editing.

I like impressing people, I have always done what my parents say, I try to be a good role model, if my bosses say jump, I ask 'how high?' I don't disobey or get in trouble, I've never even been arrested before, but this...

It strangely feels good, it was worth it. I'm actually smiling as I'm looking over the notice that I've been blocked.

The category is still up by the way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_nationalist_terrorism

If you edit Wikipedia yourself or want to, please help protect this category in the event that someone, some group of people, or an organization tries to delete it entirely or tries to do it through pretty much deleting everything in there. Wikipedia IS a resource, pretty much a public good on the internet. Also if you genuinely find examples of white nationalist terrorism, terrorists, terrorist groups, symbols and propaganda, I know I missed things, please add them.

This was a better use of my time than being angry at you all, so if you can help me out, it would be great.

... but don't be afraid to get in trouble every once in a while. We're going to need more troublemakers if we're going to defeat this poison.

I don't think I'm alone here when I say this, the GOP/right wing must now be destroyed

No longer just put down to minority status.

Defanged, discredited, debunked, defunded, disorganized, lose their mailing lists, kicked out of office space, made fun of on the street, banned from social media, can't call a cab, and so on. Destroyed.

Even when they got Trump in as President, I thought they were still a legitimate 'other side of the aisle', I continued thinking this when they started calling things like not wanting to get shot in school or wanting to get vaccinated as "socialism" saying to myself "It's just a crazy fringe", but when they looked at Christchurch and started saying "It happened to make us look bad! We're the real victims here!", I can't do that anymore.

If it's my country's legitimacy or the GOP/right wing's legitimacy and right to power, the choice is clear.

I am withdrawing my consent to the Republican Party governance of the federal government.

Isn't it interesting that Trump DIDN'T say his roving biker gangs would stop white nationalists?

Anyone else find it odd that Trump threatens to deploy tough military, police, and biker gangs against Democrats but not against white nationalist terrorists?

What's the matter? Are his tough guys too chicken to go against guys who are certain to shoot back? Or is it because they have the same skin color and similar politics? Or maybe a little bit of both?

Sorry, but only a fool or a tool would respect the office of President at this point

Between Trump's tepid and meaningless non-statements after what happened in Christchurch following his threat of roving biker gangs and Kellyanne Conway pretty much saying "NO U" to the media, I'm sorry but the last credibility of the executive branch has flickered out... Everything from George Washington, to FDR, and Barack Obama has done to set the Oval Office up as some sort of symbol ALL Americans can get behind and people around the world can see as a beacon is in irreparable tatters because of this one man-child.

It's time for us to start publicly saying the President is just someone who signs legislation and someone to blame when the economy goes south, that he doesn't speak for us or for our country, and let's find some other symbol to get behind, some other 'face' for our country. Someone else in another branch of the government, a scientist, an ideal, a religious leader, a group, a celebrity... anyone or anything would be better now.

I'm sorry, but this White House is tainted and no amount of reform will make it better. So I'm done with it.

Can politicians and pundits at least get a thesaurus or is wanting that going to be "socialism" too?

I think we all get it; not wanting to get shot in school is "socialism", valuing human lives over profit margins or confederate statues is "socialism", caring about the environment is "socialism", not seeing billionaires as man-angel hybrids is "socialism", getting vaccinated is "socialism", and having the toilet paper over the roll instead of under is definitely "socialism"...

But are there other words they can use for things they don't like?

Center for Security Policy front group temporarily had article which suggested Bush "cleanse" Iraq

of Arabs with nuclear weapons and then he become "President for life" of the United States.

I also remembered THAT when the Center for Security Policy became connected to the push to smear and attack Rep. Ilhan Omar.

But wait, there's more!

Remember Elliott Abrams? The man that Rep. Ilhan Omar had a come to Jesus meeting with over El Mozote on the House floor? (Oh wait, can't say that either because talking about Muslims and Jesus is also a horrible thing I bet... even though Muslims... also... believe in Jesus)

Turns out, he himself was on the advisory council for the group at one point (And this connection was even pointed out in the post I wrote back in 2007). He gave Gaffney's insane group an air of legitimacy, and they're repaying the favor. Interesting how nobody's decided to disclose that little gem when we heard about this bunch of groups sending a letter about her, and it seems like, I don't know, a conflict of interest.

Time to call it out.

Center for Security Policy one of the groups behind the anti-Ilhan Omar push

President Donald Trump pushed for congressional leaders to unseat Rep. Ilhan Omar from the House Foreign Affairs Committee this week by citing a letter signed by organizations he described as “Jewish groups” calling for her removal.

But the coalition behind the letter — described by conservative media to be “leading Jewish organizations” — includes groups that maintain no relationship to the American Jewish community and peddle anti-Muslim conspiracy theories.

Signatories include two organizations classified as anti-Muslim hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Both have ties to the Trump administration: ACT for America and the Center for Security Policy.

Critics say the president’s promotion of fringe anti-Muslim groups with hawkish foreign policy views raises wider questions about the Republican push to unseat Omar from the Foreign Affairs Committee.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/trump-anti-muslim-groups-letter

Important thing to note, this is the same exact Center for Security Policy that pushed the claim that Obama redesigned the Missile Defense Agency logo to look like an Islamic crescent... when the logo change was in the works for years before Obama became President.

I didn't trust Frank Gaffney's sense of judgment on Barack Obama, no reason for me to start trusting it on Ilhan Omar.

"... because I believe in Progressive Capitalism"

Here are some examples:

"A fine for one class of people shouldn't be 'just the cost of doing business' or having a privileged and 'highly charged lifestyle' but mean no groceries or even jail if you can't pay be facts of life for another class of people. Opposing that is Progressive Capitalism."

"If the US truly does have the greatest healthcare system in the world, then it should come with freedom from disease, I believe that because I believe in Progressive Capitalism."

"No, you morons, not wanting to get shot in school is not 'socialism'. It has nothing to do with central command of the economy, but if Karl Marx was alive today, he would have wanted youth who are indeed marginalized and disaffected to own weapons and be ready to use them. Let's un-marginalize those youth, I believe that because I believe in Progressive Capitalism."

It's nice to see people start to say it, but let's weaponize this against the worst and most disgusting things the right wing has called "socialism" in the past two years alone.

If it takes off, I will get behind it, and I think other people will too.

So how do we stop "socialism"?

So I hear we shouldn't even talk about "socialism", we shouldn't call ourselves "socialist", etc.

But at the same time that won't stop the airwaves and the internet from being filled with "Democrats are socialist" from the other side. A lie repeated often enough becomes seen as the truth, right?

Look at the White House, look at Fox News, look at Breitbart, at InfoWars, etc. On and on.

We're going to be hit with the label of "socialism", of "socialist", every candidate will be labeled a "socialist", every policy Democrats put out there will be called "socialism"...

No matter how non-socialist, how un-socialist, or even how anti-socialist it is.

That's going to be a given.

Now going forward and the way I see it, there are several options we can all choose and participate in, and I think I've got it down to three general ones:

1. Say we're not socialist and let that be the end of it. Hope that us saying "we're not socialist" is enough to stand up to Republican-friendly media soundbites of "SOCIALIST!", of sensationalist conspiracy theories involving Je-globalists, of shadowy figures like Bill Ayers and George Soros that just screams movie deal, hope and pray that despite being washed in an ocean of propaganda that says Democrats are socialists that people will see through it, of hoping the quick "YOU ARE ALL GAY SOCIALIST COMMUNISTS" is not enough to sway voters and we can tell people to check our empirical data and mountains of evidence that proves we are not socialist. People will go for all the technical book data and facts, not the quick and LOUD soundbites, right? Sure.

2. Defang the label of "SOCIALISM". Take the air out of it. Don't let it become something that elicits a Pavlovian boo and hiss from people. Run socialists. Run as socialists. Have positions and call them socialist. AOC could very well be the future of the party. Accept it. Embrace it. "Socialism" doesn't have to mean bread lines or repression. This one is going to be very involved and very hard to do, if someone were to ruin it, it could cause ruin for the whole Democratic Party. But at the same time, a less demanding one here would be pointing at Republicans and talking about all the crazy things they've called "socialism" over the past couple years... like not wanting to get shot in school, saying black lives matter, getting vaccinated, tax cuts for the middle class, the metric system, having health insurance without the chance of getting hit with pre-existing conditions, etc., but it will end up legitimizing socialism or at least the idea of it.

3. No platform. The right wing is at war with the left, they see themselves in a culture war with us. It very well might be time to fight fire with fire. Don't let Republicans call Democrats "socialist". Destroy the propaganda. Destroy the sources of propaganda. Ban them, report then, and more. Call them "conspiracy theorists" and insane kooks, let it be known that's what they are. A lot of these "socialist" tropes do have roots in antisemitic and other forms of racist nonsense, let it be known, magnify it. Speak louder than them and over them. They say "Sociali--", you raise a finger, put it over their lips, and go "shhhh". Anything that can be done legally to get them to be quiet, go for it.

There could be other options and we could have a mixture of all three, but at the end of the day and going into 2020, we will see at least of a part of one these three in play in response to "socialism" from the GOP, but several questions remain, which one will help us win in 2020, and which one are we willing to use? And which one will we end up using?
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